Strike Team #17
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Apr 27, 2022
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Mar 17, 2022
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Mar 17, 2022
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Attendees: Josh Tan, Ido Gershtein, Isaac, Keating, Andros Wong, Lucia Korpas, Cent Hosten
Observers: Orion Reed
Agenda for Thursday:
- Schema Update
- Reference Implementations
- Grants Update
- Project Management
- Organizations and Use Cases
- Github EIP Engagement
Minutes
Schema Update
- Ido
- ...busy week...
- ...will there be a tab in daostar.org where the schema will be listed?...
- Josh
- ...wanting something where people can see contexts...
- ...at this point, even a static doc can be added to the github...
- Cent
- ...draw from the affinidi display of schema...
- Josh
- ...AI: put together current json context files and put doewn a static json-ld file...
- Isaac
- ...ask to have daostar context added to the affinidi schema manager...
Reference Implementations
- Isaac
- ...working with Moloch...
- ...doing it in the subgraphs...
- Keating
- ...DAOHaus is working on V3 and working on subgraphs...
- ...planning to go through member scheme this week and have some learnings for next week...
- Josh
- ...welcome to invite me and Lucia to one of those meetings...
- ...working on a compound integration...
- ...would be good to take those lessons to compound...
- ...when can we have an end point implementation that people can ping?...
- Keating
- ...few weeks out on that...
Grants Update
- Josh
- ...ralph taking lead of aragon...
- ....radicle is voting on grant proposal currently...
- ...AI: need to follow up with gnosis...
- ...is there a standard way of seeing when vote are initiated...
- ...would be nice to have legibility of off to on chain voting...
- ...meeting with consynsys next week...
- ...more effort to get to 200k...
- ...keep track of timing for work for future compensation...
Project Management
- Josh
- ...seeking a PM...
- ...AI: connect with etherscan dev...
- ...will be good to get on the etherscan dev map...
- ...will also be good to have them tweet about this project...
- Andros
- ...interested in PM, wants to see a project description...
- Josh
- ...AI: will schedule a meeting with Andros...
Organizations and Use Cases
- Josh
- ...are there any other companies we need...
- Ido
- ...we could setup a bounty program...
- ...getting people to explore use cases for the standard?...
- ...e.g. onboarding...
- ...making a cool app based on the EIP...
- Isaac
- ...would be fun to have a designer hack the etherscan UI and show how daostar integrates into etherscan to future project...
- Josh
- ...what other dev confs are there?
- Isaac
- ...schelling point...
- ...daoist event...
- Josh
- ...could launch something at daoist...
- ...could anounce the moloch implementation or some of the bounties...
- ...would be nice to have some representation at magic(?)...
Github EIP Engagement
- Josh
- ...ways of getting more comment on the EIP?...
- Cent
- ...talk with Rocco about EIP-4361...
- Josh
- ...ethereum cathearders...
- ...focus on giving presentations on EIP...
- ...any volunteers who want to join on that call...
Zoom Chat Transcript
Isaac P
12:14
https://github.com/affinityproject
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Keating
18:02
https://lettucemeet.com/l/gMRb3 for moloch implementation sync next week
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Cent
26:02
maybe basic, but makerdao, since they have such a clear setup, although I think they now use compound, so maybe not relevant?
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Andros Wong
28:17
Love the bounty idea
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Andros Wong
29:44
Gonna jump to another call but excited to talk more about project management and bounties :)
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Joshua Tan
30:26
https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/pull/4824
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Cent
33:09
maybe worth talking with rocco about their experience with EIP-4361?
Zoom Audio Transcript
Joshua Tan
00:01
Alright, thank you for reminding me again because I.
00:05
Think i've said this 10,000 times now, I always forget to record these meetings.
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Unknown Speaker
00:09
No problem.
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Joshua Tan
00:13
who wait, I think you mentioned you worked on affinity like the skillet manager or.
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Isaac P
00:19
Years ago, I like was like I worked on like V zero affinity with them.
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Joshua Tan
00:25
um is there any way like we could copy whatever they're doing here.
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Isaac P
00:30
should be at this repose I slightly open source.
00:37
500 air right now.
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Joshua Tan
00:52
Was it wasn't.
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Isaac P
00:54
The case or or.
00:57
If he was.
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Joshua Tan
00:57
On.
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Cent
00:58
or Stefan Stefan.
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Joshua Tan
01:00
yeah it was Stefan.
01:02
yeah.
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Isaac P
01:03
here's their here is there, get.
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Joshua Tan
01:10
cool.
01:16
Okay, rather than try to like put more on his plate, you know if you could just put together, like the static files.
01:23
And then we can sort of like once those are up, we have a little bit more breathing room to just explore working with like these either tl Dr or affinity or some sort of way of like publishing and managing the schemas.
01:36
But for now like we just desperately need this thing to fix we have.
01:42
we're asking people to point something to a schema father's doesn't exist yet.
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Isaac P
01:45
And I wonder, maybe we can even just have Stefan upload their explorer.
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Joshua Tan
01:52
Okay, maybe.
01:55
i'll just like message.
02:05
If you could help us.
02:26
The um so that is I think we're good for the schemas.
02:31
and try to like lighten the load for it, you know and.
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Ido Gershtein
02:38
yeah yeah thanks awesome.
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Joshua Tan
02:41
Just like yeah just feel free to just like literally just take a do a static get get some like static files and just like do the PR directly into the website repo to so it's like accessible.
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Unknown Speaker
02:55
cool.
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Joshua Tan
02:57
um.
02:58
profits and patience as like.
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Isaac P
03:02
shortly so kidding I haven't met a couple times about.
03:06
Planning out the.
03:07
molecule and we're thinking that we can do it primarily within the sub graph that we think that we can like format, the data there so that we don't have we don't need like additional translation layers keating going to give a quick.
03:21
overview of kind of where we are.
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Keating
03:22
yeah yeah so.
03:24
Right now.
03:27
we're kind of lucky because TAO houses, a kind of working on v3 and in kind of redoing their so graph for the mala contract so we're going to be able to sort of piggyback off some of that work and, so far we kind of forgot what they have in our and i'm planning to start.
03:47
going through the implementation of sort of the Member schema Isaac and I talked about the other day, this week, hopefully have some some learnings next week.
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Unknown Speaker
03:59
that's awesome.
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Joshua Tan
04:01
feel free to like you can invite me to one of those conversations and like I might try to invite maddie who is essentially an ra medical who's supporting us exploring like a compound integration.
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Isaac P
04:13
Go.
04:14
I think.
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Joshua Tan
04:14
If we had like a better sense of like this is exactly what the molecule looks like we can.
04:19
copy like as much of that as possible for the for the compound one.
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Isaac P
04:26
Nice, maybe i'm maybe kidding we can do something Monday or Tuesday.
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Unknown Speaker
04:30
yeah definitely.
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Joshua Tan
04:33
send me the invite and.
04:34
All.
04:35
Get many on board.
04:41
and actually use here since you've been setting these contracts that you want to happen as well, or I can just update you later.
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Lucia Korpas
04:49
guys I can happen.
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Joshua Tan
04:51
Okay cool.
04:54
Isaac do you know Lucy is email, if not i'll just all add her.
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Isaac P
04:57
To the.
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Joshua Tan
04:58
To the calendar invite.
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Isaac P
04:59
will be sent to me yeah I think I have it okay.
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Unknown Speaker
05:02
Great.
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Joshua Tan
05:05
And that case, let me just give a quick grants updates, so we have.
05:13
lots of good news, but I need to figure out what needs to give can track all this stuff like my pet my project management skills are breaking down like 100% right now.
05:25
But so Ralph is taking the lead on medical cartel we're very likely to get 10 K from them sometime next week, Aragon has approved it, so we have like 20 K there.
05:38
gnosis is voting on it, I think, as we speak, or I think radicals voting on it, as we speak.
05:46
And that's very likely to go through, I have not, I need to follow up gnosis if there's support in the forum I don't know if it's actually like when the voting actually starts it's really unclear.
05:59
Is there like always a clear way that i'm understanding like how those actually getting initiated.
06:05
On these things.
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Isaac P
06:06
it's it's such.
06:07
A good.
06:08
example of why we're doing this.
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Joshua Tan
06:10
Oh, my God.
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Unknown Speaker
06:11
Okay.
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Isaac P
06:13
You know what.
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Joshua Tan
06:14
yeah this is.
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Unknown Speaker
06:15
This is.
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Joshua Tan
06:17
When you've defined use case to like okay well how the hell did boats actually get started from this off train thing on to like something where like a transaction actually happens would be nice to have that legibility.
06:30
You know, let me just break this down somewhere so don't forget.
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Unknown Speaker
06:49
translates into.
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Joshua Tan
06:55
Get executed.
07:00
Thanks for posting that getting.
07:03
We have a I still need to hear back from you, if they were positive before, but I just since like the organization takes a while i'll follow up with them and then.
07:15
github has said yes so they're very likely going to see something 20 K I don't know when I don't know what I guess like it's going to be very likely I don't imagine they keep like loads of crypto hanging around.
07:30
But and what's the last one there's the last one thinking about.
07:39
What was it oh right have a meeting with consensus sometime next week and hopefully they'll get something to so a long story short, is we're very likely to get like decently funded, I think I need to put a little more effort to get us to the 200 K or budget.
07:55
But I think we can assume that, like we're going to get like enough money where like the work that we're doing here is going to get paid, so I think I mentioned before, but like just like make sure to keep track of like the time you're spending.
08:05
And we're figuring out some sort of fair system, maybe we should do a coordinate or something I don't know.
08:10
Some sort of fair systems for like to make sure people are getting compensated for the time, especially for like the VIP the super concrete stuff like the references adaptations and schemas.
08:22
cool I think that's it for the grants.
08:30
All right, let's go back to the agenda right um so as you can probably tell my PM meeting skills are coming up to their.
08:41
boundaries so current.
08:44
If there are people and they may not be here in the call right now, or I mean I don't know who wants to step up and like PM help PM this that could be like really, really useful, just like somebody organized.
08:58
alternately all post that and the general church and we'll kind of like move from there, but I think i'm just like.
09:05
i'm getting swamped by a lot of different things, and like this is like requires some level of management, then there's like lots of different contacts.
09:14
And now that it's like that sort of we're transitioning like, for example, like we need to follow up with either scan I don't know if that call ever happen, or is it going to happen or.
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Isaac P
09:24
So they're just in the thing, I think that we haven't even said you like a specific time with them yet.
09:31
Would that be like a we can Ping the ether scan devils in the death star chat an hour, so we can like just paying them if we want us to have a specific time.
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Joshua Tan
09:39
yeah so let me just.
09:43
Do.
09:48
This person.
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Unknown Speaker
09:52
Isaac.
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Joshua Tan
09:54
So, like we get a follow up with you the scan it's been a while, since I follow up deal.
09:59
But I think what he wanted was the mall or at least one existing reference limitation that he can Ping.
10:08
Before like I mean it kind of makes sense, like you, can't really build integration until the reference of addiction exists.
10:14
So we are just basically blocked on that.
10:18
The meantime I guess.
10:20
So.
10:24
Sorry.
10:26
Maybe schedule like schedule that call.
10:30
or let's say two to three weeks out, but when do we think we can have like an x accessible representation from all like that's like somebody can pay somebody like outside and get a json object.
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Isaac P
10:42
And a few weeks, at least.
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Unknown Speaker
10:44
Three weeks.
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Isaac P
10:47
That I correctly.
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Keating
10:49
yeah, I think, a few weeks, I mean do you want the ability for like the complete schema for all the different sort of endpoints or would it be sufficient to have like just members available for people to use as reference.
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Joshua Tan
11:05
Ideally we'd have all of them um yeah.
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Keating
11:09
Okay yeah so yeah definitely a few weeks out on that okay.
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Joshua Tan
11:15
Three weeks out that's fine.
11:18
So also schedule that call, but I think.
11:21
You had a very funny parents entrance.
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Andros Wong
11:27
Sorry, my friend has cracked and I was just gonna say that yeah i'd be interested to help out with some the project management stuff would like to see some sort of description of like what needs to be done.
11:41
And and yeah.
11:43
Okay awesome.
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Joshua Tan
11:44
I will bring you on board.
11:46
Why don't we just have like a super short call sometime like next week and all i'll bring you on board so good.
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Andros Wong
11:52
sounds good.
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Joshua Tan
11:53
sounds good thanks.
12:05
cool the um.
12:09
So either scan my sorry.
12:12
yeah i'll i'll reach out to Ryan, and for on and I can't remember the other person that's in the in the telegram but.
12:22
I think I just want to make sure that this gets on their like Dev agenda at some point and they're going to like usually like people going sprints so it's.
12:32
I think a good idea to just get this on to their radar, even if we don't have the the the reference invitation up just yet that's fine.
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Isaac P
12:41
X, if we can get some maybe we can even use them to get more eyes on the IP if they like say either scan tweets about the year before hey is that eligibility important, let us know what you think about this proposal like if they came from their Twitter and probably get eyes.
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Joshua Tan
12:58
yeah.
13:00
Oh God a Twitter strategy oh.
13:04
I suck at Twitter.
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Isaac P
13:07
You just.
13:07
think that are good at Twitter to tweet about us.
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Unknown Speaker
13:09
So.
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Joshua Tan
13:19
The um let's see me pull back so yo besides the obvious candidates either scam sorry in detail.
13:29
As are kind of like initial like targeting adoption like people were like reaching out to and literally will like i'm happy like either like actually spend money if it like gets them to adopt the standard.
13:42
Other any other people that any other companies or sort of organizations or sort use cases that we like really, really need to focus on.
13:50
What besides compound and maybe opens up with I guess.
14:02
You think of anything like super important to sort of like butter reference meditation for or start reaching out to.
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Isaac P
14:14
The zodiac killer.
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Joshua Tan
14:21
For leverage and attract.
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Isaac P
14:25
not sure how much like bandwidth or people have they had they did show some interest really on.
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Joshua Tan
14:34
Oh This reminds me to set up a call.
14:40
entirely.
14:42
Because they kind of expressed early interest in building a reference of meditation or supporting us so let's figure out.
14:51
How to spell work there.
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Ido Gershtein
14:54
Maybe we can like set a bounty program in for like.
15:03
I know either also either one can be even just cool ideas for.
15:10
cool ideas that use the the gap.
15:14
Like just you know some.
15:18
We talked about it, like last meeting, briefly, like the use case exploring the use case of like TAO onboarding or maybe call it a different name.
15:30
So you know if there's like a small group that can that want to do.
15:36
Like.
15:38
Some cool APP around the ap share like helps like TAO discover discover ability like onboarding.
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Joshua Tan
15:49
I really like that actually um you know we could actually yeah we could create like a like a 10 K fund at.
15:57
Like what's the next hackathon.
16:01
That connect you to Amsterdam.
16:07
what's going there i'm spreading, by the way, every day yeah Nice.
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Isaac P
16:11
it'll be fun as i'm like if we had like a designer that did like like took the.
16:17
ether scan ui and like hacked up like what they've reached out page would look like with either scan like how the other year see 721 like that would make it very visual and then we do like write a piece like look at the future that we that will happen if we have our star.
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Joshua Tan
16:37
yeah actually a lot of like if people have a really good idea I think we can put a bounty on that as well um.
16:44
We should put up with a few of these kinds of bounties, if you will, if you guys have like ideas for how we could use the IP for any reason, it could be extending it building a like a kind of like a ui for it on puppy to scan.
16:56
And we'll just put up those boundaries up and.
17:00
Amsterdam is coming up like literally one month from now.
17:05
So yeah we'll just put those boundaries up do we know anybody who's organizing events.
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Isaac P
17:13
Well there's a selling point that we do.
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Joshua Tan
17:15
that's true.
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Isaac P
17:17
And then there's like a kind of a weird not really organized organized thing like there's just all that deb connected, as a co working space that happens to be going on during it.
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Unknown Speaker
17:27
yeah.
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Isaac P
17:29
And then yeah there's shelling point on Wednesday or Thursday.
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Joshua Tan
17:38
yeah I messaged.
17:39
Why put it in like a speaker application for showing point I haven't heard back.
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Unknown Speaker
17:43
yeah.
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Joshua Tan
17:45
How does everything take forever okay i'm not follow up with Scott such Kevin and push it there.
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Isaac P
17:51
there's a Dallas event on Tuesday that week to overtake the two day event.
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Joshua Tan
17:57
yeah we're actually um So if we want to launch something we could actually launched it at Dallas because, like medical was hosting like we're supposed to be organizing like the first day anyways.
18:08
we're not in every state, but like.
18:09
The like a part of the first day.
18:14
Especially the stuff focused on governance as well, some legal stuff.
18:18
So that could be.
18:23
yeah we could like announced the molecule petition as a as a public event there, for example, or like list of implementations or the outcome of these bounties.
18:36
Okay yeah what I really liked about.
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The um.
18:44
let's see.
18:47
That case before.
18:51
All right.
18:52
Does anybody have.
18:56
Oh, maybe, what I want to do is spend a little bit of time doing and.
19:01
It looks good.
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So if you I think I think the IP earlier.
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And kinda like a random posted on it.
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Is the actual yaki.
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So.
19:28
They were suggesting a couple of name changes like to metadata standards for dolls and off chain Meta data sanford hours, and I think my generic response to this is going to just be.
19:43
prefer not and.
19:47
what's the word word like we build metadata because we will try to standardize this is lobbies reset like actually makes the most sense.
20:05
For discovery and corporate YouTube if people have like precise responses, so this, I just want to encourage like a little bit more conversation in the IP if you want to post a response there any particulars for thing.
20:18
Besides the might be nice so it's not just me sort of like being there i'm not quite sure like how like the IP norms work and having some.
20:26
Community sort of like activity there, I think, and only sort of like be good and pulling more attention to it and trying to convince people that hey you should actually review this thing, so we can get this published.
20:38
I honestly, like the thing is like it shouldn't require I honestly think it's just the amount of like time.
20:46
From I don't know who these guys are but they're like seemed to be like.
20:51
Bottlenecks X a like client and, as I see because technically getting a approved and as a up as a VIP draft should be completely automatic, for the most part, because it's just a matter of like is this document structured in the right way.
21:11
But I don't know.
21:16
So yeah just want to encourage some participation on this poll request.
21:24
Either support or question or anything like that or responding to what the sun.
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This particular community Members were posted.
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I think there was one thing that was.
21:36
relevant here or interesting.
21:43
Is the name change Besides this, for like small things.
21:55
can respond to the activity log considering using events, and this is once again like Why would decide not to admit event spring.
22:11
Okay.
22:14
Think besides that there wasn't anything else that I had specifically in mind so unless there are other things people want to bring up here now, we can also ended early.
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Cent
22:26
I was just going to quickly say josh I mentioned it in the chat if it's were talking with Rocco about their experience with the VIP 4361.
22:35
That looks like I got a fair amount of activity on github and so might be worth talking to that person and seeing what their experience was like in terms of generating interest on their IP.
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Joshua Tan
22:46
From I actually I did I taught a Rocker about this a couple weeks ago and his.
22:55
advice or his comment was just like I just took the mobile and required some hounding of the ap editors to actually get them to push this through.
23:03
That is actually it yeah so i'm just like I post occasionally i'd find out how I don't know like post them try to like get them to make some movement they're not making any movement on it, so I don't know how else to hound them.
23:18
Ideally, if I knew one of them that we make it a little bit easier, I was also thinking of like perhaps.
23:24
Oh actually so.
23:27
Isaac you said you're going to be at youth Amsterdam.
23:30
yeah I don't connect.
23:32
we're going to be around for the later parts, because I have to leave on Thursday, so I can't make it to the three magicians one or two the councilman.
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Isaac P
23:40
What caslen.
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Joshua Tan
23:42
So Casa is i'm.
23:43
chatting was a castle.
23:46
Not the different.
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Other castle in this one.
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Isaac P
23:49
Which Castle i'd like all the castle costly gathering no probably not staying for Monday, probably going back on Sunday okay.
24:00
But.
24:01
That means that Saturday i'm there for the magicians thing.
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Joshua Tan
24:04
Do you think you could like them drop it with the magicians thing and just drop us and try to get some movement there.
24:11
You know I.
24:12
deeply deeply hope we'll get this thing through before death connect at the very least, but if not, because I have no idea what these timelines are.
24:24
or even if we do, I think it would be nice to be represented at a three magicians and try to get some sort of feedback from the Court of the people that would show up there.
24:35
That makes sense.
24:39
cool.
24:40
So I just want to make sure they get on your radar and if you need that support on maybe like.
24:49
Okay i'll just add another to do list but um I know like.
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capital.
24:56
Also organizes.
25:00
These like presentations on the IP.
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explain them, so if somebody.
25:08
i'm happy to do it myself, but I want to give like other people that updated I go out, so I don't know if, like people somebody wants to volunteer for this, I will be interested in sort of like going in with me, for example.
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To give a presentation on like the IP 4824.
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To this like group of people it's like mostly like a theorem.
25:27
I guess deb's.
25:30
Just presenting like why we built the ap and when it's about.
25:38
Nobody wants to volunteer.
25:41
You don't know.
25:45
Well, if you develop an interest or wants to think about it just let me know and we can.
25:52
Just pay me a sink.
25:55
Okay, I think, with that any last comments.
26:03
All right.
26:05
The case.
26:07
We can editor what you all next week.
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Isaac P
26:10
Thank you.
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Ido Gershtein
26:13
Maybe.