• Isaac P, Joshua Tan, Cent, Matt Prewitt, Daniel Ospina, Emon Matamedi, Florent, Ivan Fartunov, Joel Thorstensson, Malcolm, Matt Prewitt, Ori, Rouven Heck, Andrei Taranu, Connor Spelliscy

• Gleb Fedorenko, Pryce (Utopia Labs), Sepehr Sanaee (Aragon), Sebastian Bor (Solana Labs)

• Introductions & welcome to new folks (10 minutes)

• Topic 1: Changing the roundtable format (5 minutes)

• Topic 2: Updates on project management, grants, schemas, reference implementations (10 minutes)

• Topic 3: Discussion: EIP-4824 Adoption (15 minutes)

• Topic 4: Discussion: Membership Attestations (15 minutes)

• Topic 5: Multichain update (5 minutes)

• Topic 6: Metagovernance & Vote (5 minutes)

Joshua Tan
06:30
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1IvmhJ4v6iXBsne8Bx47Jdg64bKXdRoshOpJCZdignao/edit#slide=id.g115c78034b4_0_6

Ivan Fartunov
11:53
Gm @Andrei can you shoot a link to DAOification?

Joshua Tan
12:22
Rouven next, then Joel.

Andrei Taranu
13:30
absolutely. Here's an overview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFlGcb7mcW4and this is the deployed MVP: www.dorg.ml

Ivan Fartunov
21:17
That’s a fire prompt @Isaac

Joshua Tan
21:30
https://daostar.notion.site/Project-Management-b63113c316a34872a5e9412044ebfcc2

Isaac P
32:28
Have to drop for another call but will watch recording and chime in on magicians thread!

Mendes
36:47
Hi!

Joshua Tan
37:28
https://daostar.notion.site/DAOIP-Membership-via-Attestations-Working-Draft-448926bfc4c84f15b047ba4cad168017

Joshua Tan
40:00
https://daostar.notion.site/Meeting-Primer-6190abd1a11440a9a91eafc71d251e1d

Daniel Kronovet
42:37
Sorry talking to a friend, thought I was muted

Matt Prewitt
52:37
would love to be added to the identity group

Florent
53:05
Same here, discord username is @lof

Andrei Taranu
53:31
I'm interested in Identity too andreitaranu#7816

Mendes
55:05
Can you drop your telegram usernames? For the identity group

Andrei Taranu
55:15
@eightrice

Matt Prewitt
55:34
@MPrewitt

Florent
55:44
@florent07

Mendes
57:05
Just added - can’t seem to add Andrei due to privacy settings

Cent
58:11
You can also dm at @°⫰#2495 if you need any assistance

Daniel Ospina
59:31
Could someone please share the link for the metagov discord?

Andrei Taranu
59:38
my privacy settings?

Cent
01:00:36
discord: https://discord.gg/eD5gYAEc

Malcolm
01:01:00
@mxlcolm

Gleb Fedorenko
01:01:09
@glebfedorenko

Matt Prewitt
01:01:23
(is there a radicalxchange emoji i can use? to vote? can’t find it)

Scott Moore
01:01:26
thanks all, was great listening in!

Joshua Tan
00:00
To the cloud.
00:02
alright.
00:04
Everyone welcome to the $6 million 100 have all your here I can't believe we've made it to the six meeting that means we've been in existence for around six months feels longer somehow.
00:18
let's press like oh actually i'm For those of you who want here is the link to the.
00:26
presentations as well screw it at your leisure.
00:32
So let's go straight on to the agenda, because we actually have a quite a decent bit to cover.
00:39
The um so first we'll just do introductions of new folks.
00:45
Then i'll talk a little bit about changing the round table format since we've clearly shifted from.
00:51
what's right word for this.
00:54
The original format, where we really just like talking about a single standard to a lot of different projects and i'll give you an update on the project management for the Roundtable.
01:03
But basically, the idea is that I would like to sort of emphasize in these Roundtable sessions, where we have a lot of people here.
01:11
A more discussion based format otherwise like it doesn't really make sense to keep everybody here in just a few project updates that you could be getting a sink.
01:20
me on a second topic will go on to do some project updates so short condensed including new project management for the organization.
01:34
updates on grants on the schemas and on reference implementations.
01:39
Next i'll talk a little bit about yet before your 24 adoption as well as kind of a new suggestion that arose from the Community over the past couple weeks.
01:49
we'll talk a little about a topic for we'll talk about membership at the stations, which is the current subject of the conversations in the taskbar I didn't do work.
01:58
and actually this is pretty exciting and a lot of progress is being made so hopefully we'll share some of that here and talk about like whether it makes sense for the people here.
02:08
In top five will talk about just a brief come, I will actually just i'm just coming out of the multitude conversation.
02:16
and actually some surprising conclusions and discussions arising for that to occur, and hopefully get a few comments from folks what was in here, which I know.
02:25
it's mostly through, but I think could still benefit from just like incentive compensation and then finally going to encourage providers drove on record from the recent data governance working group.
02:40
And we're actually going to try to do an initial vote on and test this process of essentially vouching for voting on new Members to the group.
02:50
Now, before I move on and we proceed to introductions is there anybody here, who is there anything people would like to add to the agenda that they don't see they're already.
03:05
Okay sounds good, I guess i'm going to stop sharing my screen problems and invite folks especially anybody who is new to the Roundtable.
03:14
Just to unmute themselves and introduce themselves to say a little bit about who you are, and you know, but when I see corporate setting and we're a bunch of here.

Sebastian Bor
03:23
So I can start everybody else on it, you can go.

Andrei Taranu
03:29
So, my name is Andre I am with.
03:31
affiliated with the Lord that tech.
03:35
And i'm a product manager have been one since 2014 i'm cut into the decentralized space in 2019 well working started working with.
03:47
lock producers on us and have a few projects in the space that I founded myself one is ordinary life, which is an economy for training for decentralized hey I Apps and.
04:01
The consensus for that has to do with.
04:05
Training models.
04:07
And another one is the first trust estate planning tool which is after me at that is real.com i've been with dork for something like three months and.
04:18
Since I joined the project that I started here is called diversification, which is a framework of full framework for Dallas and not just for internal administration, but also for.
04:32
Internal activity which we just completed the mvp for that, and from what as I was talking to just how i'm kind of looking forward to sharing that with you guys.
04:47
Thank you.

Joshua Tan
04:49
Welcome
04:49
To a special we're going to.
04:52
shoot.

Sebastian Bor
04:54
The Boston Boston and i'm a software engineer working for salon adopts and i'm the lead developer on the doll tooling for a sauna.

Joshua Tan
05:05
Welcome

Emon Motamedi
05:06
Everybody sorry go ahead and welcome.

Malcolm
05:10
So, my name is Malcolm Navarro i'm a tech lead form sorry working on the governor product so think I mean crypto since 2016 when the attack happened.
05:23
And directly against the original back before natural thing but uh yeah i'm super interested in how this model can fit into like creating standardization around the space so.
05:35
excited to be here.

Emon Motamedi
05:37
awesome and i'm a mom i'm it's on a large as well, working with Sebastian on our dad tooling for for the ecosystem i'm on the product side.

Joshua Tan
05:47
Welcome, welcome to the month matt.

Matt Prewitt
05:51
matt matt pruitt President of radical exchange foundation we work on a fairly wide range of different governance related projects and.
06:05
super happy to be here into work.
06:10
Welcome

Gleb Fedorenko
06:12
hi my name is glad for the anchor i'm here on behalf of your lifshitz from super TAO want to click our creation and management tool I just became the core product manager for the team then preparing our product for the open better happy to learn here thanks.

Joshua Tan
06:30
Welcome to like.

Rouven Heck
06:33
hey my name is reuben and books on identity and reputation so i'm around for entrepreneurs know 16 years, I think, in the space and so review boards and i'm not part of content smashmouth on a sabbatical.
06:48
And I also i'm the chairman of the decent Foundation, which is like an organization standardizing a lot of the disability protocols and which I hope and things will be a big part of the pronunciation of the next stage and i'm.

Joshua Tan
07:08
Looking forward to.
07:09
going down the rabbit hole with reuben.
07:12
I don't.

Joel Thorstensson
07:13
It doesn't that's always a very deep rabbit hole hey i'm Joel.
07:18
i'm from ceramic so interested in learning more about how you're thinking about structuring data around us and how we can support.

Joshua Tan
07:29
But happy turtle.
07:33
This is not a requirement, but it does anybody else who's new who wants to jump in and introduce themselves.

pryce
07:39
hi i'm price on one of the cofounders utopia labs we build tools to help scale, especially from the standpoint of.
07:47
payroll and payment management.
07:50
super excited to hop in here and chat with everyone something that's really important to us as a possibility, and it seems like it's important to everyone here and the the the principles we're working towards so really excited to chat.

Joshua Tan
08:05
awesome.

Ori
08:07
yeah hi everyone i'm also at de org with Andre been.
08:12
Working on projects there for three years now.
08:15
have been through many iterations of different doubt tooling.
08:18
and helping other projects other frameworks and other kinds of projects with their development and kind of like organizing decentralized.
08:28
software development for like teens in a way that is incentivized and kind of.
08:35
Yes, self sustaining business model so happy be here and i've been thinking about data standardization cross that framework for a while, so really excited this that started thanks josh.

Joshua Tan
08:48
Thank you all right.
08:50
I thought I saw somebody else unmuted recently.
08:56
Separate did you wanna introduce yourself.
09:03
We can't hear anything.

Unknown Speaker
09:05
If you're saying anything.

Joshua Tan
09:13
I can hear you.

sepehr sanaee
09:15
Hello everyone, my name is tougher software engineer on are super happy to be here with you guys, thank you.
09:23
Welcome

Joshua Tan
09:27
There any other introductions.
09:29
I guess let's stop trading.
09:34
me share my screen again.

Unknown Speaker
09:40
Okay.

Joshua Tan
09:42
So let's hop into so just a brief kind of own introduction such review for folks who are new but also cool just you know offer to have a recap.
09:52
The first meeting we just trying to figure out what is a minimal down it's actually interesting mentioned later that we're having a rehash of this conversation as part of the model chain.
10:03
As part of the Multi CIG conversation.
10:06
We decided okay adele has members and as proposals and the Members have to have some sort of control over the smart contract, but that was based on but that's pretty much it.
10:17
And the second meeting we read a bunch of different membership patterns in current dollars and we reach consensus on our particular option on satirizing membership.
10:27
From a third meeting we review the draft the IP clean descriptions around our ui and json ld and we made a commitment to use json ld and we also implement it kind of Protocol in discord.
10:37
and fourth meeting we finalize the draft the IP so a lot happened between the third, and the second and the fourth meeting.
10:44
We discussed the idea of a Co founding round the by key organizations in the ecosystem.
10:49
In the fifth meeting last meeting we presented the actual propagation of the ID 4824 a selling point so about.
10:57
Four months we actually published the standard, which I think was pretty awesome then we presented different ongoing projects that are you know basically need to happen after the publication, including schema development and profitable stations.
11:11
And we also discussed a couple new working groups working to either extend or.
11:17
revise the standard multi chain and the identity group Voyager.
11:23
So talking about what I wanted to just briefly touch on with all of y'all is.
11:31
Obviously delta one is growing as an organization and there was like more things going on, previously, we had these roundtables and we're very discussion based because we had a single a single standard and every month we had like certain sort of kind of the issues arise.
11:48
and
11:48
How do I say that we wanted to pose or discuss in the context of this large industry body, so that everybody could participate and essentially offer.
11:58
offer I guess their comments and their perspective and get their voice heard in the ultimately the standard.
12:04
Now they'll start one is obviously a lot of activity has moved toward the working groups, because now it's just like there's more focused activity.
12:11
and conversations around there I it's hard to sort of cover such a wide array of topics in such a wide range of use cases in sort of a single structure entity.
12:21
That said, it also to me it doesn't quite make sense to be boring all you with like you know perpetual updates like that's not something that needs to be happening in person in the context of these roundtables so order preserve a discussion based element.
12:35
The so roughly that's what i'm going to be doing in testing of this call is to try to pose more of the discussions that are animating the working groups, those are.
12:45
Questions and sort of like insights being drawn from them and emphasize those things and crush the sessions in this context, rather than just me talking at you, and giving you an update on like different things that are going on.
12:58
First off throwing away like that makes sense to people and pause for a moment to ask for suggestions or get a sense of like Is this something that makes sense to folks.

Isaac P
13:12
I think it's good but there's like no limit to how deep, we can kind of go into all the stuff that's happening in all the different working groups time so like the if we do kind of go more conversation style.
13:23
Like I don't know how deep will be able to get into it and I do kind of a actually appreciate like a quick like updating from from each group in a call like this, so.

Joshua Tan
13:39
yeah I think what.
13:40
I want to do is just make sure that yeah I think some level up this is really important, because i'm going to show you very quickly like our project management interface, and you can see, like all the crazy amount of shit that's going on in this group.
13:54
But then.
13:57
Just, given that, like this is like a large industry body and it's supposed to be the.
14:01
original idea was around table just want to make sure we minimize the time we got to get updates have a sink way of providing those updates and then sort of like reserved the time and it's in this space for conversation send, for I think like sharing the insights some sense.

Isaac P
14:16
Even legal maybe a prompt is just like what what what have you learned in the last week that makes everything that we've been working on irrelevant or.
14:26
What have you what do we need, what do we need to know like what does everybody else need to know like break field and bring those types of comments.
14:33
Exactly.

Joshua Tan
14:36
Okay um so I just wanted to share that and.
14:40
Make sure this is communicated going forward so okay let's get into some actual updates so.
14:48
it's just reviewing some current progress and i'll go through this, but first I mentioned, I was going to show you the project management.
14:55
And we now have a first off, I want to give a shout out to andros from wonder verse.
15:00
Who is actually volunteered to handle a lot of our project management also mentioned that one verse is a project management tool for us, so this is awesome that we're getting the.
15:10
CEO of the project management tool to helping helping us with our project management, but um, this is a you can go to this list it's currently in the diaspora one internal website, you can just explore navigate it to it i'll post this into the chat as well, so you can see it for yourselves.
15:29
But this is all the different projects that are currently operating inside that star one, so we obviously work on building the reference implementation so Isaac is leading.
15:39
there's work on building the schema files and kind of viewers simple explorer for that being pushed by you know.
15:48
Andrews and I happens for focusing on the adoption growth but that's currently blocked because we still need to build the reference meditations that are kind of initial adopters can kind of interact with.
15:59
i'll give an update on the fundraising there's a Meta governance working group that's focusing on like the construction of the data itself.
16:07
there's a schema extension tool which is currently it's just being spect out there's nobody in charge of it get those people are interested in contributing, this is an obvious place where to be quite cool to get somebody to help somebody help on.
16:19
This endpoint service that Luke who's.
16:24
A developer medical is has been working on, you can see that API that outside.org it's basically for spinning up a really important point.
16:32
So you can test the standard.
16:34
there's a community relations.
16:38
Which i've been leading which really just like about talking to Dallas and try to figure out like you know what's going on inside on you cannot do adopt it.
16:47
there's the identity standard which I am currently sharing, but I think I mentioned before, we are looking for a different chair, because i'm identity is not exactly my specialty.
16:59
there's the talk of a death star one token, but this is like very much like longer term such a lot of things will need to get resolved, you can tell by the number of teams that would be involved if we if even if and when we ever ship a token.
17:15
A multi chain standard which all give a report on.
17:20
A conversation that just happened this earlier today and, finally, sent is leading our onboarding it maybe you have some contact with them and bring you on board the discord and and into detail into the end to the telegram.
17:34
cool so without just stop there, and go back to the.
17:44
slides so quick update on the brand side, so we have now have a shoe confirmation such funding from future and foundation so thanks again Chris Aragon, and thanks to vaughn and renee radical fix the Abbey.
17:58
near thanks to James and we also have outstanding, it seems like things that will likely a pass from gnosis and other cartel and github.
18:08
The goal is to raise 200 K each of these organizations are giving on around 20 K each so we still need to hit around.
18:17
Three more organizations oh sorry.
18:21
yeah three more organizations to be able to hit our funding targets and get some of the reference limitations in this game is built.
18:29
So once again just thanks for folks who are supporting us, and if you feel like you can support, somehow, just like amy i'll add you to the telegram group where we're coordinating some of the fundraising.
18:39
The on the reference invitations Isaac you want to give a quick update.

Isaac P
18:47
so sure to Doc with about the status of the mala one so keating and I have been working on implementing it directly inside of the sub graph as best we can.
18:59
running into some interesting like json ld challenges around like using the APP fields and stuff like that, but I think that we've got.
19:06
path around it so we're, so I think that we're pretty good on like Members and proposals and stuff should have some more detailed stuff to share at the next one, the next either strike team around table.
19:22
Not for the status, on the other three.

Joshua Tan
19:25
That we're trying to get the project done together so.
19:30
stolen already from.
19:31
ideal org and come to me or is here, but we've been talking about possibly working together on a reference position for us to say tested yet, because I know I do org has been.
19:43
sort of pushing that front kind of for you wanted to sort of open source anything about what you're going for like doing this for.

Ori
19:51
Sure yeah so we've been working, I think, over six months now, with the new skill team on the zodiac kind of doubts engine for most say.

Joshua Tan
20:05
awesome.
20:06
and
20:07
i've also just had a.
20:09
Recent conversation with Sebastian about possibly doing something similar with Solana, since I think that's, the question has been leading the Dow 20 front atala.

Sebastian Bor
20:19
yeah so you know i've been I have to first look at the standard and and see how it compares to what we have and the deep analysis but yes some you know very interested in in doing the reference implementation.

Joshua Tan
20:34
You know.
20:36
And you don't foresee can make it, since he had a fighter but but, but we are very close to the meeting, the first.
20:44
The actual likes for context file necessary to implement json ld directly in the dashboard website we're also going to be centralizing.
20:52
Essentially, a lot of our activities to kind of a big mono repo in the downstream one.
20:58
repo and give it up is actually helping us up a little bit as we try to get the.
21:05
The Dow star github handle which has been reserved by somebody else who's at this point not active.
21:14
Okay, moving on.
21:17
The Okay, so this is something that I would encourage first off for people who want context of this conversation and to.
21:24
Go to the ethereum magicians just Google theory magicians and like yeah P 4824, you will see the thread, but one of the things that came up in a recent Community called I want to share here and we've been having those conversations about this in the striking things.
21:41
Is we noticed that.
21:43
The basically somebody pointed out that for existing douse it's gonna be a little bit.
21:49
i'm sorry i'm losing my voice about.
21:52
Will.
21:54
still have a little bit of code policies.
21:59
So.
22:02
For existing dollars, we implementing like upgrading the contract to implement this interface is kind of a kind of a hump and kind of annoying to do.
22:12
So, to make it easier for existing bows to adopt the standard of one of the suggestions, is that they could essentially interact with a separate contract, like, for example, poster if you guys are familiar with that.
22:29
That essentially through a contract interaction admits at events that publishers now you're if.
22:37
This would make it significantly easier to fall asleep for like existing Dallas to implement, because all they have to do is you know.
22:46
throw out a contract interaction with this like poster contract publish a doubt you're using some you know you know basically just a pair of here's the address or the contract address and here's the deal you're a compound it's published.
23:01
And we actually really like that idea in distracting me I kind of long conversation about it, however.
23:08
One of the things that we're putting was proposed, and this is basically those are such a discussion, I want to raise with the visit kind of like brings out.
23:15
certain kinds of questions around what exactly how we define like the contract space of adele there's a sense that you know it doesn't feel right or feels like not.
23:26
Perfect we're not great for something like now you're right which is like supposed to be like ultimately controlled by the contract itself by the data itself to be sort of source through this like external contract that like it's publishing this like really important information right.
23:44
So the thought was we might actually encourage Dallas to implement.
23:50
Because they're already a million contract contraction right so for the same roughly equivalent amount of gas, they could.
23:56
Essentially, published a very minimal contract on chain, whose sole purpose is to function as like a publisher of down your eye and enable some sort of interaction from those are, like the other contracts in the contract space of the Dell with the.
24:13
With the sex robots publisher down, like you, are I sort of contract, first, I just wanted to like so is this like this is makes sense to people and, like What do people like this is because it's like this contract spaces like somewhat of a new.
24:26
concept for me and weather like have people sort of thought about this, we thought about encountered this idea, like the contract space of adele before.
24:34
um so I just wanted to pose this question, because this is still something that like we're actively discussing in the the strike team and yeah just wanted to pose to the larger group to get some feedback, in a sense of like what the consensus should be.

Andrei Taranu
25:00
hey George I think it makes sense to have.
25:04
Like a registry, where the doll the various TAO contracts would.
25:11
submit their would call a function and submit their their own Jason for for the standard I don't think it's any different than if they were to publish themselves a separate contract from a trust point of view.
25:27
If they.
25:28
If they do call the function if, first of all, if the dollar contract has this wildcard ability to call any function or different contract, they would obviously be very familiar with the functionality before doing that action so.
25:44
It doesn't.
25:46
pose any security risk then having your own contract and having your own separate contract, I think.
25:56
yeah it from a complexity standpoint it's easier if there's this universal registry for those that don't want to migrate to another contract and actually have the function.
26:08
You know, in their own contract, I think the registry with with makes sense.

Joshua Tan
26:17
So I just want to be clear on that in both cases like what we're proposing it's not exactly a registry it's like it's just a bunch of events that you know you can index for somebody would be like indexing.
26:29
And that makes any sense.

Andrei Taranu
26:32
We have what they would be events would be emitted by the same contract.
26:37
Right deploy that one address.

Joshua Tan
26:39
Yes, and so I guess like this is like a kind of question whether.
26:46
We want to encourage like a universal registry where there's like a single contract that everybody like it all Dallas are supposed to interact with.
26:54
I kind of suspect that.
26:56
There might be like multiple contracts, because, like right now, like you know if we were using the poster approach, so people who aren't familiar with this i'm like poster I came the very tip three seven something.
27:09
is a really simple sort of contract that just does exactly that you can interact with and to publish events like social media.
27:16
Using are like yeah social media kind of like you can tweet out essentially events from your contract and essentially like what we're saying is like you can use this poster contract to tweet out your w ri.
27:30
and obviously it's extremely simple the poster contract already exists.
27:36
But it also feels weird to sort of, say, like all your eyes, now have to be published through this poster This is like one single point of failure, like the poster contract, you know what I mean.
27:55
yeah.
28:02
Well, if there are no additional comments on this topic, I can move on, but it's like something that.
28:09
How do I say it.
28:11
To me it's it felt fairly convincing.
28:15
And this wasn't actually originally acquisition was just something that was developed in the conversation strike team.
28:20
That like Dallas do have some notion of like their contract space because there's like usually multiple contracts in the definition of adele.
28:30
And that, like.
28:32
You know this like we should like somehow respect this contract space in defining certain kinds of data fields like wri.
28:39
That it's like you know it's okay For some it to be published through these contract interactions and yeah I agree absolutely that like from a safety perspective it's like approximate equivalent right.
28:51
But from.
28:53
it's hard for me to like put this into words, which is why it maybe it's like confusing the folks here, but it does feel like there's like a contract space I notion where there's like more control.
29:05
That thou has when they publish their own contract and given that, like the gas prices, like the complexity of this this process is roughly the same.
29:13
Like deploying like this minimal contracts, and we can like we can even set up a factory contract that they can interact with to deploy this contract into their own space.
29:21
So it's actually it becomes exactly the same thing is like a mini a contract interaction at that point, once we have a factory contract.
29:28
But it just feels like that's a little bit more like.
29:32
Following the ethos of a Gal you know, like this is like kind of what it should be.
29:37
Like yeah I know people like shaking their heads, like is it it's a hard question.

Matt Prewitt
29:45
makes sense to me in the abstract, but I think I need to sort of see the problem in a little bit more detail and add a little context, before I can intelligently way.

Joshua Tan
29:58
yeah I would encourage everybody to jump on the theory magicians thread actually it's actually getting quite.
30:04
heated discussion a lot of interesting stuff going on include some quite technical stuff in those remind people that this is a technical standards body so feel free to be as nerdy and as technical as you like.
30:16
And you know the rest of us will just catch up that's.
30:20
Right.
30:22
it's moving on.
30:25
For no additional comments there.
30:27
So this is just want to review the.
30:31
Current progress from the membership added stations and especially call out folks like blush and I think Mendez is here, as well as Connor from station, who have been like really wonderful and moving this project forward and.
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Leading some of these really interesting discussions, the.
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So first off, let me just we have several new folks including folks on station closer consensus mesh in disco in the conversation but joined since the last.
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Round to be meeting.
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And what we've currently done, let me share that link with you.
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So.
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Please note that this is very much a.
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Draft and progress we literally just worked on it this morning, so it's.
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very much.
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I don't say down draft and progress.
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A lot of things are not ready really ready to sort of like commit but, roughly speaking of what we're hoping to build of what we've started consolidating around is a basic story around.
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Focusing on at a station driven.
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or adaptation based data model for verifying down membership, so the original kind of like scope covered everything from contributions to.
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Like much like the ids and remarkable credentials and since then we've simplified that down and really constrained tried to narrow the scope to.
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Just focusing on like adaptations, not necessarily using verifiable credentials because that's still very much like a technology it's still in development and try to figure out Okay, how do we sort of build or to understand like this very simple adaptation, but based model.
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How can we support, like the existing use cases where these kinds of annotations are already in play, for the most basic use case of a web three CV.
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And then you know what kind of data model where, how do we extend the IP 4824 data model to cover these kinds of use cases and that might involve like actually shipping a couple of.
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Initial endpoints to support this kind of use case so first off before we go any further, you know, maybe like.
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If any folks participating in that like Mendez I want to jump in with you know their takeaways from these conversations any questions from folks here on what exactly is going on, what do I mean by hesitations or right and D or stuff like that.

Matt Prewitt
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Did you say a little bit about the scope of what you mean by at the stations So are we just talking about membership added stations here are we talking about other kinds of add to stations like proof of attendance and things like that.

Joshua Tan
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yeah, so this is um.
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I think Connor had was actually very good, let me share this.
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So actually i'm only shared this.
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So this is kind of a recap, of how we approached it and maybe that will help you have a little bit better context so invoice number three we kind of like.
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identify three different ways or sorry for different ways that we can get data about like a members participation at adele.
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So it could be self at a station so like that person says, I did this in the Dome like a typical, this is a typical like non I don't know web one or just like CD based approach right you put on your CV I self attached to that this is what i'm doing.
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And there's data from the data itself, so the doll can verify that you know, like that our contract verify that you own these tokens.
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Or that you have these you know kind of said that you're a member of a doubt, like food are you are I, for example.
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So that's TAO adaptations that there's data from peers inside adele so if you're using something like coordinate or some sort of others for protocol or service.
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there's, like other Members of the Dow are sort of validating that you did something right and test them to that and then finally there's data from services so like an issuer.
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Have a credential.
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Like pull up, for example, might be issuing some sort data saying like you did X, Y Z so there's like different ways in which data is coming into.
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His is being tested about adele of being about a member of a doubt.
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So.
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This framework and each of these things can plug into like what we.
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described as three different kind of like large patterns were framework for thinking about like what this data is being used for what the content of this data.
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there's basically group membership, which is like I am part of this group so like you know top level of like what I see the House there's the proof of action which is like I did this thing which has like a little bit more like co op right.
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I attended this event.
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And then there was like just arbitrary metrics I was just like I have, I know this much reputation on like source credit.
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So these are like three different patterns.
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For do decided.
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So when.
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I think, Daniel I didn't get me.
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anyways um so.
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And then we basically we the larger sort of the working group aligned on focusing on just like for now, because we want to move fast and just ship something.
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We wanted we basically agree that we just wanted to focus on top of membership organization So hopefully That gives you a context for like okay so we're basically not really doing pull ups, because we're just not focusing on that candidate at this point.
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And i'll just.
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Sorry go ahead.

Matt Prewitt
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Oh no I got it thanks.

Joshua Tan
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All right, any other questions.

Andrei Taranu
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yeah I have another question on this just.
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So, you mentioned the source of hesitation, one of them was the services can you just maybe speak a little bit to what the services are data from services last one.

Joshua Tan
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So in my head, this is like things from like source credit, you know, putting out a reputation score or any number of like reputation services that are putting out a score or some sort of classification.
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Saying.
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You know this is like the reputation of this person or This is like or like you know you can literally go on and get hub right, you can look at.
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They give certain badges and that's from a service that's like calculated internally and says like this person like did X, Y Z so it's like basically data coming from different.
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different protocols from sources that are not the Dow themselves that's where say something about customer value of this Member.

Andrei Taranu
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let's adjust that here we could also consider oracle's as a potential source of adaptation, for you know for the activities between dollars.
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So, whether or not a certain thing has been achieved or not, that could be that particular information could be delivered by oracle's.

Joshua Tan
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That makes sense yeah agreed, I mean a lot of assumptions in this like, for example, source, but is that it's already offering.
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And yeah I agree having to.
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specify an interaction can be useful.

Rouven Heck
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And we've been in touch with the problems folks i'm not sure their inbox yet because they.

Unknown Speaker
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started.

Rouven Heck
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To work on different at the stations are like credentials given from membership in certain discord like they already like 20,000 different.
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discourse, many of them are TAO related or related and have you can.
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You are part of the Level two fields in Bangalore style, that is a really valuable at decision because peers are bringing you into that level, and this could be expressed similar how you get.
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credentials, because you can own something or you're part of something.
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And we talked about different use cases where you can do this, would you describe us now appears that you can say or this was a great meeting josh and we discuss.
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It five people react with like a thumbs up that generate a credential as well, so there's this creation of content.
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From peers and order members and then there's a consumption and that's kind of where the consuming side Ak in Oracle could act either.
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If you go from one discord Community to the new one and says like hey i'm a really good marketing person in these other dolls and can I come here because it's not a github.
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reputation, maybe, but something else which could be very valuable and then you need some form of Oracle and this case club and can operate as well as an oracle towards that this core group to say hey Yes, they have X, Y zed experience or credentials and yeah just.
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For these other things could be a very interesting source of data points which could be very useful for industry.

Joshua Tan
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makes a lot of sense I I honestly have not thought about color line as a kind of.
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Oracle in this context, but I guess they.

Rouven Heck
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me functioning, are they are today yeah that's that's what.
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that's.
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Every everybody who's kind of bridging the gap between the two worlds, the on changing the option rather somewhat of an oracle in either direction yeah that makes.

Unknown Speaker
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sense.

Joshua Tan
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and
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We actually really bring that up in the next an expert group that's an.

Ivan Fartunov
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important point and James was one of the first people we spoke when we're starting to start so they should be lurking somewhere around we can easily will come in.

Joshua Tan
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There we.
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can bring James and I can think i'm actually.
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Just like we're upgrading you to Oracle status.

Ivan Fartunov
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Does it make sense to bring the input ratio in this.
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Specific direction a pop.
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I mean ratio from pop like because I don't think they're part of the round table does their system and product and direction in which they're moving makes sense to be represented in the discussion regarding at the station.

Joshua Tan
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I think.
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I mean okay first off I would absolutely want to bring them on board, I think I think would be really nice to have.
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his opinion.
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The right now, like we're explicitly not focusing on like low levels for contribution I don't know I don't know to what degree co OPS are being used to just like determine group membership.
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My sense is that it's not the typical use case that one uses co OPS for.
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But so it's like Basically, they would come in and they wouldn't be like immediately relevant relevant, but I think that's valuable to have them that makes sense, and I think, maybe they would have like their own opinions on like how to think about group membership in this context.

Ivan Fartunov
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Because they're like the widest so in terms of at the station they're the most widely adopted tool Indians, we have today.

Joshua Tan
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that's actually for now.

Daniel Ospina
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yeah there, there is something that's sitting a little bit wrong with me here that is kind of like the idea of.
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of membership, which is a very, very abstract concept which plan, all of these things are simply representing engagement interaction or something like that, like aren't we confusing that to to some degree.

Joshua Tan
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yeah so.
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I would agree that, like.
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Membership and engagement interaction, or like slightly different things, but.
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Are you know are distinct things they're obviously connected though right because, like participation typically like requires membership as a prerequisite it's like first off, would you agree with that.
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Like certain non participation require membership.

Daniel Ospina
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I think it's going to be very subjective like I can imagine context in which I would.
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say yes, others which I would say no, or equally people who would say yes, I know there's in which they would say no.
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And I mean not to go like now extremist.
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But even the whole idea of like the Dallas and open network sort of clashes a little bit with the idea of membership, which is a more fixed stable.
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concept like, how do you extrapolate from this person was a member, a week ago towards estill a member, instead of a more neutral they engage a week ago, yes or no that's a fact.
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it's too subjective.

Unknown Speaker
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etc, or it isn't.

Rouven Heck
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But why, why would you not do this express this was are you is the terminology of membership, the problem.
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I think it depends on like what membership means, in some cases, if you have tokens you are some of the Member if you.

Daniel Ospina
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sold them.

Rouven Heck
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Then you're not that doesn't mean that your reputation could not be that your Member or we were a member over the last nine.
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Months in many dollars and so that's I think the difference of like what we want to do with the credentials That gives you a historical thing you can prove that you were Member, even if that was like in the past.

Daniel Ospina
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yeah it's kind of like from let's say it's really because we're talking about about standards that for me is super important that we're really, really sharp on the on the terminology.
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Because the concept makes sense, like, I have nothing against the concept and he's not to go into a philosophical.
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discussion about what membership is, but these like these standards are not representing membership we're not really having a discussion about what membership fees are what membership means because he's going to be extremely subjective for for each now.
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What these these like different tools that we're talking about here what they represent these these any interaction and engagement participation, I don't know we can call it different ways, all of those kind of fit okay with me it's just.
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Like essentially they don't say anything about membership that's gonna that's going to happen somewhere else in some more abstract discussion that people have yeah.
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well.

Joshua Tan
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So.
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In the interest of time i'm going to move us.
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On because we actually have two additional items on the agenda, but actually for anybody who's interested in like building into these conversations around membership.
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Currently, where they're happening is in the Voyager i'd be working group, if you want to sort of like get added to that and you're not already there.
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Just Ping the just Ping the chat and we'll we'll get you added.
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Okay, let me share my screen.
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Alright multi-unit that so.
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We just had this conversation actually so folks from Cosmo salon over there.
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and honestly, this was actually quite a.
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quite interesting to me i'm still kind of processing it but, roughly speaking what we decided is we're not going to sort of like put too much.
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kind of said we're not going to like actively start drafting like like the multiplayer standard right now, instead we're going to wait for more information data on the use cases.
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Adoption of the current tip so within a theorem and the meantime we're going to do a little bit more homework on just understanding the.
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what's the word work with us.
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The different assumptions that go into Dallas across Solana and cosmos because it turns out, actually there's like quite a bit of difference in how some of these things work.
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Which doesn't necessarily have to challenge what changed significantly the latest added works, because the Saturday OPS designed to be like sort of focus more on our chain metadata standards.
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But the.
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However, the what I say this.
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There are like just very it's kind of like a nuance ways in which trying to sort of talk about Dallas in this case on these different trains might change the way that we sort of like interact with that data.
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We did find concerned consensus on.
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I think everybody agreed and we're going to try to verify this by talking to getting more people into the room that it will be really valuable.
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To have something that looks a little bit like you know, like what does currently doing viewing ecosystem.
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But having like an agreed on on standard to do like the very, very basic data snippet to be able to sort of say hey I am a doubt on salata.
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or i'm a doubt on cosmos and you should be represented, I should be represented in like this index of all the data that exists alongside all the data that already exists on appearing.
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So that's like I think we have consensus that this would be clearly useful and it's worth implementing somehow.
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Obviously it's very small so we're going to basically just do a little bit of legwork work asynchronously over the next couple of weeks kind of get alignment on what exactly that means.
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And then, as people's kind of availability comes in, as people become more available, especially sort of make a clear use cases for essentially why these chains where these entire ecosystem should be adopting the standard.
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We can, I think, make progress and actually start putting together, like a document opening that up there.
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So, before I move on, I just want a brief updates of this, this is very much like a it's kind of like a product conversation that is continuing.
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But just want to give people if people have any comments on that, like San Sebastian I know you're part of that conversation monsters anything.
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feel free.
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Okay.
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So on so Lastly, we had a conversation on the Meta governance working group, including key of gnosis along from Aragon.
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bill from oculus Malik and several others we met to discuss what is the sort of going to be like the way that this.
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Body functions, how do we vote on things will make decisions and how do we sort of commit to standards that are actually published by this group, so we agreed that, for now, we are not going to let me just change to the.
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Share different screen here.
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But we agree, for now, that we're going to just keep the votes directly in the discord and so no major changes from what you are already sort of familiar with.
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But we did sort of find a new process for admitting new members basically you're trying to use a voucher system so currently I like I prototype something like in the telegram chat For those of you who are who noticed the.
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Where I was asking for vouches for actually for utopia this case to just better understand because I wasn't familiar with them and we're just going to convert that to a more formal four step process directly into discord so just want to.
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share this chord with y'all and encourage you to go on to discard now and actually vote for this.
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i'm sure.
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So if you are already familiar, so you aren't already there.
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Please do join the medical discord where we're currently hosting a doctor conversations once you're in here paying myself or sent, and we should be able to get you the permissions to access the private data star one channel.
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And you can use the desktop one channel.
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where you can vote in here by essentially using emojis so if you're a part of an organization, you should have like, for example, opens up alone.
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has classified has a specific role spruces mo Aragon, you should all have your own emoji that only you can access that is locked to your identity in the discord.
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So this is the full proposal that is coming in through the destruction type form and just for clarity I put it here because I mean Okay, let me not influence those voting I just wanna encourage people to you know actually.
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I said so, essentially the voucher system is going to be like for vouchers leads to an invite.
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And it's going to be up to the people here to kind of like say hey I think this organization significant I like to sort of have them participate.
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In the meantime, as the Chair of the working group I reserve the right to like actually just get people into the room to have these conversations, but to officially join and have voting rights.
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We want to make sure that goes through some sort of like legitimate process to make sure people are proud of us as if it's passing through some sort of like.
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sense of what the industry as a whole, agrees on it should be represented in this Roundtable so first off this is just the file we're going to try to run run this through.
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With a couple of different organizations see how the process works, but the meantime we're going to assist you test this with just the buildings.
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test the voting process with.
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inviting members and then we're going to test additional kinds of votes, using the same system, including.
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Voting on the final acceptance or admission of standard, for example, like the the upcoming boys right and establish.

Cent
53:28
A josh good point of clarification, is it for organizations, need to be out or let's say to people from the same organization put an emoji into from another organization emoji is it for total votes or is it for organizational that's.

Joshua Tan
53:45
it's a for organizational that's.

Unknown Speaker
53:47
Okay.

Joshua Tan
53:49
So feel free if you have any problems using the emojis please just Ping myself or just literally right out in the chat that i'm having trouble with us, and since I will be able to help you make sure that you can get your ability, but it's set up all you have to do is just like.
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click out reaction find the mochi I don't know on the only one, I can access as medical, but you can do like no doubt stack if you are in dust.

Ivan Fartunov
54:18
and find you you.
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You can get them old you only have your own organization.

Unknown Speaker
54:23
Exactly.

Joshua Tan
54:29
And that is it's a if you guys have any people here like Clarence please encourage you to vote, because they are still waiting on being admitted to the round table.
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So, if you think they are significant in the ecosystem and know you would value their opinion in conversation in this group, please, please do vote on the actual proposal such powerful them.
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Okay, with that that is the.
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last topic, I wanted to cover and we're exactly at the top of the hour.
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Thank you again for coming to the sixth leading cause of death star one can't believe we we've come this far and thanks again for.
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supporting us and participating it's really good to have these conversations.
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With that.

Ivan Fartunov
55:21
i'm going to stop the recording thanks josh for.