1. Josh Tan

2. Ido Gershtein

3. Cent Hosten

4. Ori Shimony

5. Lucia Korpas

6. Aaron

7. Primavera De Filippi

8. Keating

1. Matt Johnson

2. Kohei Nagata

3. Denise Duncan

4. PhilH

5. asgeir

6. Cesar

7. Kaitlin Donovan

8. John D Storey

9. Simonas Keruzas

10. Jules Miller

11. Quadri

12. Matt

1. Introductions

2. Schema

3. Reference Implementations

4. Adoption strategy

5. Onboarding patterns?

6. Open Community Questions

• Kohei
from: depend
builder and contributor for DAOs
working full time for index coop
“200 DAO tools with no interoperability”

• Cesar
Madrid Venezuela
dao script
contributed to many DAOs including
Aragon, Zodiac DAOstack, etc
still studying the standard IP

• PhilH
part of dOrg
contributor to Zodiac
interested in integrating with Zodiac

• asgeir
part of dOrg
working with PhilH on Zodiac
contributed to DAO Stack and other DAO frameworks

• Ido
Basic context file pushed to the github repo
allows people who will use the standard and who want to write JSON-LD types will be able to specify the context file
Need to build a browser for the different uses of the standard on the website
Need the ability to extend the types in the standard
The types in the standard are very basic, on purpose
We want DAOs to extend them to their specific purposes
We will then want to scrape all the extending types that are being used and sensemake to show which types are more common than others, for example.
We struggled a bit on what the best practices are for hsoting a vocabular for ontologies
C2A: connect us with people in the ontology space, i.e. schema.org

Cent
06:40
One more time for new comers. Meeting Minutes: https://www.notion.so/Strike-Team-18-Community-Call-3-d542d14888244be8997fcc434ae8134a

John D Storey
10:11
cool sounds good

Cent
10:11
We also talked about onboarding patterns last community meeting. Would be nice to hear if there are any updates on this.

John D Storey
15:42
ETH DEN release woot woot 🎉

Joshua Tan
16:01
https://daostar.one/EIP

Cent
16:37
If you're comfortable with GitHub please also leave comments on the EIP there: https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/pull/4824

Cent
19:02
Is there a link to this on the GitHub, Ido?

John D Storey
22:53
would love to hear more about the MOLv3 updates

Ido Gershtein
23:15
https://github.com/metagov/daostar-website

Cent
23:54
thanks Ido.

PhilH
25:38
big latency!!!

Ido Gershtein
26:50
Really minimal context file at the schema directory :) but actually this is the only thing that is needed from the context as I understand now for the users of the eip

Keating
27:45
https://github.com/Moloch-Mystics/daostar-subgraph

Cent
28:11
What is the discourse link, Josh?

John D Storey
28:16
That link then links to the v2 - link to the v3?

asgeir
28:32
Could it be possible to create a standard graphQL schema for subgraphs to make it easy to map DAOs just by creating subgraph mappings?

John D Storey
29:20
👏🏼 etherscan would be awesome

John D Storey
36:13
because the data is static (doesn’t have to be, but could be at first) couldn’t you just make a public GitHub or Gist and host there?

Joshua Tan
36:28
Yup you could literally do that

John D Storey
37:17
but would be interesting to have a middleware tool like that combined with the graph data and could auto-update things about it like memberships or treasury balance etc

John D Storey
48:28
i love those 👏🏼

John D Storey
48:35
would love to hear more about the twitter dao

Aaron (he/him) - Govrn
49:16
GitHub implementation would be amazing

PhilH
49:50
Are you also in touch with Radicle? Are they part of the roundtable?

Cent
50:14
Agreement Engine: https://github.com/metagov/agreementengine/

John D Storey
50:46
very cool

Joshua Tan
51:05
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12hBxHmfy4mb2-iPhHI7Fd3ESQ7TlbPOvQLfKHAAgGrQ/edit#

Cent
52:50
yeah, express interest in the chat and I can add you to a list

Denise Duncan
53:22
I'm interested Cent

Cesar
57:02
hey guys gotta run was nice to meet u God bless

Cent
58:19
added you Denise and Aaron

Denise Duncan
59:11
Thanks Cent. I have to jump. great discussion!

Cent
59:19
thanks for coming Denise

Quadri
59:27
you can please add me as well. Cent

Cent
59:39
yes, added Quadri

Matt Johnson
59:49
I have to bow out. Nice to make this meeting twice in a row and meet everyone and hear the input.

Quadri
59:54
First time attending the call, is there a formal way I could help out

Cent
01:00:49
Thanks for coming everyone!

Joshua Tan
00:03
Well, if these folks.
00:05
It was a ssl problem.
00:08
All right.
00:09
In that case, let's get this party started welcome.
00:12
All the folks from the Community, as well as from obviously from the original attracting these are, this is, I believe, the third Community call for the death star.
00:25
Down star technical standards welcome everybody who's new and welcome everybody who's old we don't hold your own this against you in fact we've very much supported.
00:36
i'm josh i'm the idiot medical and a mathematician computer scientists logs from Stafford and helping kind of like beat and organize that some of these conversations and the.

John D Storey
00:47
basic structure is.

Joshua Tan
00:48
In the beginning, we have.
00:50
reserved some time for the.
00:53
For what we call the strike team of all kind of people working for several months on standard kind of just give updates so it's both a Community college was kind of a good teamwork.
01:04
But in the rest of the call after the initial updates it's kind of just an open, free for all, if you have questions if you have discussions.
01:11
If you have suggestions about the standard our concerns, we would love for you to kind of raise them and sister yeah we can have an open discussion about TAO standards ei P 4824 as well, as you know.
01:27
Your ideas were projects that we could restart up as protocols for one.
01:32
Okay, in that case, before we jump straight into just updates on mainly schemas and reference limitations so i'm looking at you edo and maybe kidding kidding give an update if i'm not here.
01:46
We will be.
01:49
done well done jump into this sort of the open source of portion of the call, before I start, are there any other things people want to bring up such add to the agenda.

Andrei Taranu
02:00
hey josh i'm from dork here, how can you hear me.
02:05
Yes, Okay, I was just wondering, because I saw this event in my calendar i'm not sure if this isn't the same thing as the round table right.

Joshua Tan
02:13
Oh no sorry yeah the round table is a separate thing that meets monthly, this is a.
02:21
This is the sort of strike team calls were like we're working specifically on up 4224.

Andrei Taranu
02:28
And also, where we bought it yes.
02:31
I see yeah so basically my question is, if I am needed here at this.
02:38
particular point in time.
02:41
Because I may have mistaken this for the actual I mean is this the part where the delegates come in and do their thing.

Joshua Tan
02:49
No, no that's that's like every month on.

Andrei Taranu
02:52
I see.

Joshua Tan
02:54
You.

Andrei Taranu
02:54
Okay, well then it's different.
02:55
If it's okay with everybody i'm going to excuse myself, because I have a big deadline and we show good luck and I look forward to seeing you soon at the round table.

Joshua Tan
03:04
sounds good man.

Unknown Speaker
03:05
But.

Joshua Tan
03:10
All right.

Ido Gershtein
03:12
Maybe I would add them.
03:14
Like maybe we can talk also about the best way to for adoption, for example.

Joshua Tan
03:21
Yes, for good.
03:24
So let's talk about and, by the way we do these calls in the open, because I think it's, this is a Community sort of.
03:32
from the ground up standard, and we want to support all the voices in the ecosystem, so if you want us to jump in you have a question or comment at any time, please just jump it doesn't matter.
03:42
You don't have to wait for the like.
03:43
Open portion of the call.
03:47
Actually, before we start if there are folks that are new.
03:52
Do you want to kind of just unmute yourself briefly introduce yourselves.
03:58
I do before I go hi.

KOHEI NAGATA
04:01
hi josh and everybody.
04:04
So, my name is Cole hey.
04:06
from Japan right now i'm living in San Francisco and yeah so i'm mostly explained by itself as build a contributor for Dallas.
04:17
Last year I started walking through time edicts co op which is like a defined expand out and completely fall in love with Dallas but.
04:27
And after that, like, I was you know building some della tooling but what I found out with like they're like over like $200 tools which has like has no comprehensibility Intel.
04:44
Intel pill ability oh and it's like yeah like.
04:50
Like really zero sum game where just like to come, like web to space and didn't see it, the difference and then I went through a delta.
05:02
delta event ethan buddy and found out was like wow, this is what I wanted to you know to contributed to so yeah really happy to join this goal and contribute to the project yeah that's me you guys.

Joshua Tan
05:18
awesome welcome home here and really glad you're here.
05:21
Because, yes, we uh.
05:25
I think everybody in this ecosystem is facing this problem of like ah it's like the worst of SAS models, with the worst of web three you know not interoperable and it doesn't have good ux.
05:40
You know they buy that flow or or make it better.
05:45
Any other new folks who want to kind of jump in and introduce themselves.

Cesar
05:53
Let me see Sir a I live in Madrid currently i'm from Venezuela, a currently i'm working with a javascript B, C.
06:04
foundation team and i've been working with in the last three years approx in New York, I have contributed to different our projects like that stuck out on a test was home base and the last one was so yeah.
06:20
um yeah so basically Dallas is what interests me the most.
06:26
In the long term, this is what i'm here for this kind of a use case any theorem and feel showed me.
06:35
This meeting he told me they will be cool if you're in, and I saw the standard which I didn't before.
06:41
And I think it's pretty cool um, I would like to lay basically think about it more and studied basically because I just saw it today.
06:51
I will probably have some feedback in the next week well yeah that's me i'm interested on what we can build and yeah I agree with you a Co a that we need to standardize this, otherwise we want the rise of the Dallas one calm so yeah hi guys.

Joshua Tan
07:10
Welcome says are.
07:11
But have you here.
07:14
Really, a international crowd wonderful.

Unknown Speaker
07:16
phil.

PhilH
07:19
hi everyone.
07:21
yeah until so as a scissor part of the arm and part of the deal team that contributed to canarsie so jack still bath.
07:31
And so i'm potentially interested in implementation of the standard for zodiac and also we worked as I mentioned on home base desires and so maybe there are there are other.
07:52
And first contact with the group I just went for the ID i'm here to learn and to get a bit more context so hi everybody.

asgeir
08:06
hi i'm also from the org and currently working.

Unknown Speaker
08:11
When.

asgeir
08:12
I would fail so deck and a true gnosis Guild and also contributed to.
08:21
Our stack and other dial frameworks before.
08:27
And i'm here to learn about this colon a step, this is something that's needed.
08:34
that's been like needle for a long time, and also been thinking about that for a long time, but didn't know about this up before phil shout out to me yesterday so sad about this thanks.
08:50
awesome.

Joshua Tan
08:50
excited to have you man.
08:54
and
08:55
The Yankees to be fair, I was only released about last one X number and we're getting a lot of good good feedback and I think the traction with them so exciting that glad to have you on board.
09:10
Any buddy else knew, if not we'll jump straight into the agenda.
09:18
Alright awesome.
09:19
So Okay, the.
09:23
Maybe it would be okay i'm actually gonna.
09:30
Be i'm usually I spend like five minutes, introducing the standard, but in this case I think there's people have like.
09:38
This point read enough that I can have to skip that part, but I would just encourage you, if you haven't just go to casper dot one starchy IP you'll see the.
09:49
Working Paper version of that and I can't believe it's taking so long, but we are slowly getting it through the whole up sausage so it actually will show up at the.
10:00
Online editorial.org the um let's see.
10:06
You know, do you have any updates on those kind of schema front.

Ido Gershtein
10:13
Yes, I pushed the just before the call like minimal context file, as we discussed when was it yesterday.
10:24
In think so yeah yeah a.
10:32
Yes, so basically the status is that there is a basic context file push to the door github repo which just what what it allows you is basically for people who, who will use the the the standard and will want to.
10:55
write json ld.
10:58
types.
11:00
They will be able to use the context context file to specify the context file in the object that that all that it allows.
11:10
But besides that we also need to after after that we actually what we need is, we need to build in the side someplace where people will be able to to browse the different types, the basic types in the standard.
11:30
And and document them and also the next step is for people to be able to extend the basic types so.
11:40
As you as you might know the the types that we specified in the standard as are like very basic and that's on purpose, and we expect people dow's to extend those for their specific use cases.
11:57
And then we'll need to.
12:01
And then we will also we will we will want to scrape scrub all the the different.
12:08
Extending extending types that are being used out there and and also make sense, out of them like you.
12:19
Show which types are like more common than others, and maybe include them in someplace in the side and so on, so yeah that's like the status in.
12:35
that's it.

Joshua Tan
12:37
I just say that we're definitely looking for more help on breaking through how to.
12:43
Well, first, just like.
12:46
Building out the actual I think schema visualization schema explore and know what the right way of thinking about this is the global version of like what schema.org has and then sort of like implementing the the schema extension tool that you don't mentioned so they can become this.
13:06
So that will have a slightly better ux, then the rest of the words or the average of work through tools out there.

Ido Gershtein
13:12
And now I will also say that we we struggle, the beats.
13:17
To understand like what is the best practices when you want to host vocabulary like an anthology of vocabulary and if someone someone here like has some connections to people that are in the space of scientology's like you know schema.org.
13:38
People that that I know contribute to schema.org and stuff like that it will be very useful for us to to to talk with some someone someone like that that will will be able to like gifts give some critics say we if we are on the right path.

Joshua Tan
13:58
Exactly.
14:01
Anybody is a big fan of json ld or rdf or does anything with symmetric one please get in touch with us, which is raise your hand.
14:11
cool as so let's go up to references limitations i'm.
14:17
kidding.
14:18
Do you think you could give a quick update on the towards on the preference of meditation.

Unknown Speaker
14:24
yeah.

Keating
14:25
So this past week, we started working on the sub graph for.
14:32
The Dow start up stuff and basically some learnings we can't really put the context within the sub graph so.
14:43
The way we're thinking about things is we'll have like a the actual death star URLs will point to like some document probably an IP fs that has the the context stuff and then the data will point to the sub graph that.
15:01
consuming applications, can you know query on for the different sort of object types so which, so this is really good, because we can actually leverage, a lot of the even more of the dollhouse v3 sort of Sub graph stuff they've been doing lately so for the for maalik stuff and.
15:21
yeah we we set up the sort of initial object for Members, but I think hopefully development depending on like how much availability, I have next week should be relatively quick hopefully.

Joshua Tan
15:40
That ever put you in touch with maddie.

Keating
15:43
I don't think so.

Unknown Speaker
15:45
Okay.

Joshua Tan
15:48
At some point, if you and Isaac are meeting up at some point next week or in.
15:54
The afternoon.

Keating
15:55
yeah I thought I scheduled something for this next week, this past week.

Joshua Tan
16:02
I don't think ended i'm on my calendar I don't know.

Keating
16:05
I don't know what happened to that I.
16:09
yeah because oh yeah we sent out, we said that uh, what do you call it.
16:14
i'll, let us meet phrase out the.
16:15
latest me but we never scheduled it okay.
16:18
Sorry.

Joshua Tan
16:20
Okay, why don't we yeah let's let's let's follow up on that because I do really want to to to introduce you to actually fill who's here.
16:31
As well as the Medi so phil is from New York who maybe you want to just introduce yourself and kind of briefly.
16:40
touch on what we talked about yesterday, or two days ago.

PhilH
16:47
yeah well that what I tried to do.
16:52
A few minutes ago, so I don't know i'm going to repeat myself, but yes at the org we also, as I mentioned, we contributed to a to the zodiac.
17:03
firmer and we were talking about.
17:09
How to approach the implementation of the standard on zodiac and Moses.
17:20
Knowing that it's a bit different from other frameworks in the sense that there's nobody members.
17:28
The framework is around them, etc, so we could consider the signers and the owners of the safe as members, but obviously they're not the only members of the Dow and.
17:46
So that that's that's something to.
17:51
Consider.
17:55
and also with respect to the proposal we briefly touched on the idea of.
18:03
filtering ID identifying operations that are triggered executed by the safe and I go through the one of the module of zodiac like reality, for instance, and reality being used for making off chain proposals executable by the safe that might be a way to actually.
18:29
map them or catch them and use them to.
18:36
Create or recreate the your eyes, I mentioned in Stanford so I don't know i'm venturing in a space that I don't really mess.
18:56
Just.
18:57
At first sight, I I I was kind of exploring the space.

Joshua Tan
19:03
doesn't make sense on yeah yeah.

PhilH
19:06
I think the key thing is.

Joshua Tan
19:07
Just a.

PhilH
19:08
figure still listening, it seems so maybe.

Joshua Tan
19:14
Sorry folks I think there's a little bit delay on your.
19:18
On your videos have sound.
19:21
I would love to sort of like let's.
19:23
Make for.
19:24
When ever we do have that i'm that i'm kidding kidding and Isaac.
19:29
To add you such the other Members routine, because if you guys are going to be working on like mapping and possibly implementing like a gnosis a first preference limitation.
19:40
kind of makes sense to learn from what's already been happening in the middle of v3 implementation.
19:46
So you guys have met now.
19:49
And we can can follow up with a meeting later hopefully.

Cesar
19:52
yeah um I was wondering a, can you please send a implementation, I mean the the URL so you can check recall it and stuffs and I get more reference about implementation so you have a very do yeah of how it works, if possible, and if that makes sense.
20:11
If you can send it here in the chat assume, I think that will be enough, I can pick it up from there.

Keating
20:16
yeah I can send it over it's still like very rough so like I wouldn't say use it for.
20:23
modeling yet, but um.

Cesar
20:26
yeah and no worries a yeah basically.
20:29
I like I want.
20:31
Do I want to understand basically first and yeah just to like give you context about what i'm aiming here is that, basically, I want to you know ambition these CDs understand this before even you know doing any implementation at all right so yeah I think.
20:51
that this was up.
20:54
To the er and also yeah if you can send the euro do some I can check that and we can discuss next week, probably, I mean right now I don't have too much to add.
21:03
To be honest, to contribute to this conversation because i'm ignorant at this point, but yeah I guess that next week, every Sunday, we can discuss.

Joshua Tan
21:17
yeah all my friends were like.
21:21
facilitate that connection.

Cesar
21:23
cool so I was wondering.
21:25
Do you have an asynchronous like channel, where I can shoot.
21:29
Questions somewhere I this coursera.

Joshua Tan
21:33
Yes, so if you join a discourse on that.

Unknown Speaker
21:36
and

Joshua Tan
21:40
y'all.
21:42
want to join the discourse first and then messaged me.

Cesar
21:45
Really quick.

Unknown Speaker
21:47
Thank you.

Joshua Tan
21:54
So it's I think that's it for reference implementations Sir.
22:00
Right, the next step is onboarding right.
22:04
So let's see.
22:12
So roughly the question here is.
22:20
that's right workflows.
22:22
That we're thinking about like we're talking about in this case.
22:29
onboarding or sorry.
22:31
The next step is adoption and we focus on adoption or focusing on reaching out to.
22:37
folks like deep down, sorry either scan as kind of like initial folks to support the standard, because obviously like.
22:44
One of the primary use cases is legibility and discover ability and this is currently places where Downs are being discovered, or you know people are purchasing data around them.
22:53
and
22:55
The CEO of details, one of the co authors of the standard so like they're super behind this will just wait on reference limitations, there is always always already in the round table on there also like when very pro the standard we're kind of.
23:08
reaching out to your.
23:10
top leaders can actually use can also just recently joined the Roundtable so we'll hopefully be setting up that support first, but we also just wanted like okay.
23:20
These three kind of like books are obvious and we're going to do whatever we can sort of like get that integration rolling.
23:27
But what other other sort of like um is there a broader sort of like our adoption strategy will grow strategy that we can to facilitate and this is something we're like very actively thinking about and.
23:41
i'll just say like we're very much thinking about it would love to solicit comments and feedback and questions so, if any, people have any of that Oh, maybe we can pause for a bit and just let people think about it, but.
23:53
Otherwise there's no specific update map.

Matt Johnson
23:56
um yeah I mean it seems like there's a lot of emerging consulting firms.
24:03
That are coming along and they seem like would be a great, especially because they're doing a lot of work with dow's setting up their environments and communities and so that would be seemingly a smart place to start to see the use of this.
24:20
With those groups that are going to be doing a lot of the consulting work, for these are these organizations thousand projects.

Joshua Tan
24:28
yeah that makes sense.
24:30
i'm not sure how exactly to reach out or.
24:36
It won't be the.
24:39
i'm just trying to imagine how like a consulting company would use this, I guess, like the idea is they have they subscribe to a.
24:47
They have some way of like getting this data, out of these Dallas and we provides us with a standard template for doing consulting and substance.

Matt Johnson
24:57
I look at like there's two sides right you've got the the ID so the Dow ids, which is the first effort, those are going to be used for the the projects out there that are doing sort of doubt directories.
25:15
And then, but the data itself has to have that in their docs their their software whatever where that exists the ID and so those two groups have to connect right so as these consulting firms are working to set up these dams and right now there's.
25:33
Protocols or doubts and the communities are dow's.
25:36
And sometimes on either side of that you know marketplace of directory and the actual data, but you both parties need to participate right they both need to use that standard.
25:47
So that we can sort of this can become that universal way to discover dow's and certainly using a lot of other ways, with the contract so.
25:57
I just seemed like these consulting firms are doing a lot of that work what they both they do the operation and organizational work, but a lot of times are also fielding.
26:07
The depths and the engineers to build out their protocols in their smart contracts and whatever else that's going on as well.

Joshua Tan
26:14
yeah that's fair yeah actually it does make sense that i'm not quite sure how to maybe we should create like a like a notion page or some sort of page.
26:25
targeted at these like TAO creators, because it obviously makes sense, like during our creation to set up these standards makes it just makes it much easier right.

Matt Johnson
26:37
yeah I mean I bank list out down masters, are all getting into certain well peg Vegas down now has consulting arm.
26:44
yeah yeah and then McDowell masters is exploring offering services.

Joshua Tan
26:50
And then I just looked up Dr.

Matt Johnson
26:52
Are on the call here and that's what they do they're not you know, a Dev shop for all these groups that want to get into web three so.
27:01
yeah it's got to start with the engineers okay.

Joshua Tan
27:05
So it sounds like the way to do this would be set up like a like an educational strategy where we.
27:15
I guess inform or educate these consultants around like the IP and how it can support what they're doing and, hopefully, they can fold it into their practice.
27:26
yeah that makes sense, but that's a great question thanks so much man.

KOHEI NAGATA
27:30
i'm josh on I used to I was doing a content writer for dharma Sir last year, so if, like you know I need to contact them like it's possible but, like you know i'm curious like how I should you know communicate with them to onboard and you know adapt up.
27:49
To now.

Joshua Tan
27:50
yeah I mean if you're interested if you work with down masters before so that masters actually out there in the round table.

KOHEI NAGATA
27:58
They have like a couple Rod, is it gotcha.

Joshua Tan
28:00
And I think our like if you'd be interested in contributing somehow that could be like a way of thinking, like we could like think through a blog post.
28:09
or Commission a blog post literally i'm explores how you it 4824 hour these like the standards could be used to enhance or support like consulting practices, and I think that'd be kind of interesting research that we could potentially Commission.

KOHEI NAGATA
28:27
gotcha.

Ido Gershtein
28:31
I think that.
28:34
The most kosher first step that is that, like we need, we need to solve in order for to get adoption for this gap.
28:43
is to make it as easy as possible for those who to adopt the gap and the most difficult part in it, is to spin off this this you know those endpoints which you will be able to query.
28:59
So if if, like any that each down will have to just you know, to all the all the coding work from the beginning itself that's like a really big thing to do.
29:13
And, especially when you're, as you said, josh it will be very good if, like a new douse will just you know plug in like from the first from the first steps to the ap.
29:27
But, especially noodles they you know they are doing a big project I it's hard for me to see them allocate resources in order to you know implement implement those endpoints if they need to do it, like all from the beginning.
29:45
So.

Joshua Tan
29:47
yeah.

Ido Gershtein
29:49
Like I imagine there there, there is a way to create like this, this framework that will make it like as easy as possible for $4 to just to like implement only implement the logic some logic needed specifically for their doubts.
30:12
I like I imagined, like the my my my line of thought is something like like snapshot implemented strategies.
30:23
That each TAO can implement it its own strategy or they need to do is to write one function in they have like an.
30:32
API is to.
30:34
Sub graph for two to a node.
30:39
And all they need to do is just implement this function which creates a mapping there between addresses and voting power and that's it.
30:50
So I think.
30:52
Social social like that is critical.

Joshua Tan
30:59
records the very pleasant music in the background, but appreciate it.
31:04
The.
31:07
I would actually yeah so I mean maybe you don't i've actually had this conversation, and I agree, but I wonder if folks have any other ideas or questions here.
31:21
yeah.

John D Storey
31:22
I.
31:22
just wanted to pipe, then I think that would be interesting to have a because that you're saying, I mean the the middle area between those two if they wanted to be updated manually.
31:34
Like doing it on github wouldn't be a bad idea and wouldn't really be able to create a product like that, but so would be nice to have like an independent server.
31:44
And, just like what you're talking about with the graph implementation we knew how to do that information, it would be easy to set them up and say Okay, this is going to update.
31:53
You know your memberships or whatever your kind of balances are other stuff from the actual smart contracts and actions that are happening there and you're right, that would be kind of beneficial.
32:06
kind of apply a plugin.
32:10
i've been talking a little bit in the past with it would be cool to integrate it kind of like you're saying, like a snapshot or a there's a group called boardroom.
32:19
If you guys that's trying to build tooling and they've been kind of open receptive to kind of hearing like feature requests and it might be good, I could reach out to Kevin off you guys I think his name's Kevin anyways.

Joshua Tan
32:34
It was actually already in the Roundtable.

John D Storey
32:36
Okay cool cool cool perfect alright nevermind them.

Joshua Tan
32:40
But we have we can literally just bring them into telegram.

John D Storey
32:43
To as it might be nice to see ya few he might be able to.

Unknown Speaker
32:46
provide that kind of infrastructure.

John D Storey
32:49
which might be nice.

Joshua Tan
32:51
yeah so that makes sense.
32:57
What I think strategies, though I think something that's more on the.
33:00
backend end.
33:02
Right you write this like small script and the key ideas like the law, the api's are already like pre integrated like two graphs.
33:10
Like the grounds already set up, and I think that's like the first step, there will be like, once again.
33:16
This is why, like reference implementation so so high priority right now like, once we have the reference limitations, we can recall some of the sort of existing patterns there.
33:23
And then started like not quite standardized them, but essentially like prioritize them were protocols and whatever you know, make them more accessible essentially.
33:32
I think that's like the way to go, we could also like I mean Fabio is obviously a big supporter of this i'm the Leader snapshot and we can try to bring him.
33:42
You literally use him like saturated in this i'm not sure if it's quite the same application, though, but I don't I don't think it is but.

Cesar
33:51
yeah so um.
33:53
I think, to add, I think, bringing five years is to really a good idea, because currently they are building snapshot X, which is basically enterprise software.
34:03
and basically on what they are doing, I saw this like two weeks ago, to be honest, I haven't dig through this too much, but what is so it's that basically they're using soda model right to which is the one that's going to enable the safe to be accessible from.
34:22
Starting at bridge something like that, if that makes sense okay so Basically, this model is the one that's going to take care of executing intersection right so probably in this.
34:32
In this show deck model we can extend it to read adele model, whatever the name, we want to give it to it.
34:40
And here we can define like the attributes of the standard properly, you know, and you know I mean this is thinking on the long term, to be honest i'm just like sharing my thought here, based on your conversation, and what I understand.
34:52
But um yeah probably we can, this is only from the point of view of celiac talking about basically mass adoption of the standard.
35:03
I would say that, yes, either you have a like you're totally right, I agree with you 100% regarding, we need to be able to somehow.
35:12
Allow that I already created dow's to be able, you know to transform into our standards so Basically, they can yeah fetch all that but yeah Those are my two sons if that makes sense.

Joshua Tan
35:25
That makes no sense.

PhilH
35:27
isn't it exactly.
35:31
yeah with referring to what I was saying earlier, is indeed the same approach to be applied to a snapshot.
35:39
As of now, without necessarily.
35:43
Ways waiting for a snapshot X.
35:50
Using this type of extension of the zodiac module yeah of course i'm referring to a snapshot plus notice with yeah reality yeah.

Cesar
36:05
I got your point and yeah I would say, these two things are two different independent things right like they can be totally develop on parallel one is a standard also sort of model.
36:16
In this case, you know, and the other one would be attaching basically the standard to the Sawyer model that it's been made by snapshot you know, like at the end of it yeah how I say it is it's that.
36:30
At the end of the day, this is a Lego game right, we have to save, which is where the money is stored, we have our standard, which is a way to give you know that an adapter.
36:40
right that allows us to fetch data from that we have also their body, in part, which is a snapshot you know so basically we can connect composing somehow if we think.
36:54
This you know yeah good way yeah that's yeah he says.

PhilH
36:58
yeah and in terms of adoption.
37:02
Regardless of diagnosis part.
37:07
was just wondering if the addition of a plugin and snapshot on that would.
37:16
enable to expose the proposal on your eyes, would make sense.
37:24
Because, all of a sudden, you get well most hours you snapshot so many of them anyway.

Cesar
37:31
See, I see okay.
37:34
yeah so um yeah my first thought my first thought like yeah, I would like to think about this more deeply.
37:41
But what I would say is that um yeah basically, what we need, what we need to happen, I would say is that a snob should we need to be able to read this standard we define right and basically we can create the soda model, you know for the safe.
37:58
Okay, which.
37:59
Basically, will allow you to arm yeah create this method that okay somehow with these instructor right so.
38:09
yeah I don't know if show that model will be the core approach to right now, I think it is, but it probably you know there's another way I don't know but yeah I like.
38:21
The way we assume It is that sort of model will be the tool that will be that will make the safe able to adapt to the structure that we're defining on the standard.

PhilH
38:33
yeah I was actually wondering whether i'm but maybe i'm doing noren here regarding this generic that the the the IP.
38:47
I from briefly reading understood that there were some part of the data that was exposed it was from unchanged sources and some were.
38:59
From.
39:00
Jeff Chen.

Joshua Tan
39:04
yeah so.

PhilH
39:06
Okay, so do you envision to have.
39:10
Like in the case of that shot.
39:13
it's non executable proposals but it's still proposals.

Joshua Tan
39:18
Right, yes, yes.

PhilH
39:19
So my point is that this is the the main repository of proposals of the doubt space so then there might be a way, regardless of the actual execution there might be a way to fetch.
39:43
This.
39:47
And, or at least two forward to add the little one thing you know that will make those proposals are visible and I identify that fireball.
40:00
doesn't make sense I don't know.

Joshua Tan
40:03
yeah.

Cesar
40:05
yeah see to me too yeah to me to me what I would just add to add it says um.
40:10
yeah that makes total sense and, indeed, we would have data on chain, and that that often probably you know.
40:16
The agenda is like the minimal right and we can use sub graph right swimming even so yeah we can like a fetch that information for the server I don't know you're thinking out loud here but.
40:28
Yes, something like that I would add sub graph to this equation, so we can actually work, it is because you sent me this repository and I wasn't seeing that way but doing a sub graph a makes total sense, you know to store like these Meta so yeah.

Ido Gershtein
40:48
yeah I think sub graph will be the natural like way to fetch on chain data, of course, but I think snapshot have an endpoint in which you can query proposals of various spaces there, so if even if an actually there was discussions here.
41:11
Even to.
41:12
define and now as a Gita get up organization like a totally off chain down and use a pull request as proposals and just doing a reference implementation of this kind of now.
41:27
So the ap is actually agnostic to where they are like you know where is now seats in the world like I think you can even do a reference implementation of you know, and now with which is totally only on the Twitter example.

Joshua Tan
41:47
I would love to do that actually.
41:49
I mean it's kind of a joke that a lot of guys are literally just Twitter accounts, but you know if you actually have proposals actually This is like a set of experiments, we ran we we built a token directly on Twitter actually a while back to see just to prove that we could.
42:08
The.
42:09
Several questions, but I think that we actually a really fun experiment me I could I literally live.
42:15
My next door neighbor is like a Twitter engineer, maybe I can convince him to to build a Twitter meditation for us.
42:25
Twitter TAO yes all right let's let's make sure let's make sure that gets into the notes of power because that's a fun idea I would really love to follow up on.
42:36
Okay, and yeah For those of you don't know we are working with github to build this like it have reference implementation, because obviously a lot of covenants actually goes to get of you know just in practice.

John D Storey
42:48
And josh you guys actually made that agreement that agreement engine right is a Twitter Bot for essentially it could be used in that same way, correct.

Joshua Tan
42:58
yeah I mean it's you can manage proposals essentially through agreements in you could I mean we would need to produce API for that, but yeah.
43:10
Technically functionally could be adele because it has you can define Members to be defined.
43:15
proposals.
43:16
Or we can define everything else.

John D Storey
43:19
If, at some point I wanted to contribute to that is that open source kind of projects, I can continue like build out functionality for the you know.
43:28
I wish this Sir okay cool and that's awesome.

Joshua Tan
43:31
yeah just get in touch with me and that's uh i'll send you the repo and connect you to Luke who has been helping build the code honor.
43:40
For those who don't know this is a very side note this is us kind of a separate research project that has nothing to do with crypto necessarily but we wanted to build.
43:51
Basically, digital agreement systems we thought hey why don't we build one on Twitter.
43:55
Because actually you may not know this, but.
43:58
very famous constitutional lawyers told me it so.
44:02
tweets you can form legally binding agreements directly on Twitter just retweets.
44:07
turns out a lot of things actually can be legally binding or construed as so.
44:11
So it's actually very trivial in some sense to create certain kinds of legal contracts are legally binding agreements.
44:17
He can do that also directly on Twitter, you can set up a system to do it and have like tokens to facilitate it and blah blah, so it was just saying organizations and you know laws and rules can appear and all sorts of fun and weird places.

Cesar
44:35
that's cool.

Joshua Tan
44:39
Actually, you know I can I can.
44:42
Just share the paper read the paper.
44:46
The public.
44:52
You know, feel free to add comments if it's a crazy if it makes sense.

John D Storey
44:57
yeah the my mind runs away with this with linking it to a notary services, though.

Joshua Tan
45:03
it's your.

John D Storey
45:05
link and get notary services for contracts that are done on Twitter it's so cool it's fun.

Joshua Tan
45:11
Very fun that's the entire point was we were actually thinking about building a notary, that it was a functioning kind of like a notary service you think Okay, it was just read the paper actually we talked a lot about notary services in there.
45:24
But um okay.
45:27
diversion ended we there's a.
45:30
We actually haven't even gotten through the entire data, this is a really fun discussion the.
45:38
Unless there's any other things we want to discuss on the subject of adoption send you mentioned something about like the onboarding but I wasn't on breathing patterns I wasn't sure what that meant, though.

Cent
45:48
Oh it's just we had talked about potentially spinning up a separate working group or discussion around.
45:55
Dallas who might want to use the standard in their onboarding process the patents that they're putting out for that, I just wanted if there's any update on that.

Joshua Tan
46:04
Nobody, I think, just from the discussion just happened now I think it's pretty clear that we do need something like that um I mean I think onboarding dollars, is very similar to onboarding consultants away right.
46:14
it's like some of the kind of education.
46:17
folks who are interested in for like being part of that let's try to figure out like maybe start a separate little working group to.
46:23
help you figure that out and, at the very least we can start defining some condition without he's just like you know support people for interested in helping out here.

Matt Johnson
46:39
what's the use case i'm not making the connection with the protocol of you know what's being developed and how that helps with onboarding.

Joshua Tan
46:50
Oh sorry it's not about onboarding within Dallas it's really onboarding Dallas to the standard.

asgeir
47:00
Yes.

Joshua Tan
47:02
totally separate question so.

Aaron (he/him) - Govrn
47:04
Sorry, I know josh i've been i've been in and out I apologize apologize for for in and out on is the goal to get individual data on board of the standard, or is there a goal to get down platforms to adopt a standard for the dow's they support.

Joshua Tan
47:18
Its kind of two separate streams we're working directly with the like those frameworks also want to like support individual does because, especially like the does already exist, then they they need to make that choice themselves right.

Aaron (he/him) - Govrn
47:33
yeah that's interesting, I think, I think, because now star works with so many data platforms or framework structure or do you want to call it there's an opportunity to try to get them to be very opinionated in.
47:45
In trying to get the like get the data set up a mere Oregon like try to get the data transition to the standard right.

Joshua Tan
47:54
Exactly.
47:55
it's kind of like a multi prong strategy.
47:58
something about it.

Aaron (he/him) - Govrn
47:59
i'd be interested in learning more about how that we could do a platform strategy on at least.

Joshua Tan
48:05
Be awesome yeah let's talk.

Matt Johnson
48:07
to another 10 well something related I mean what's going to drive adoption is the benefit of doing so, and I think for everyone, the big you know, for the first use case being the ID it is that directory if there is a central open source.
48:29
directory that doesn't matter what protocol everything's everyone's using this ID they're going to be able to be found in the directory, so therefore all these.
48:38
10s of thousands, if not millions of people that want to.
48:42
Look at dads find out that are their tribe and join them that will be the benefit for all these thousands say I need to have the standard are also not going to be represented in this clearing house or you know.
48:54
find a directory, and right now you've got directories that are very proprietary based on what protocol or project they're being formed on, and now you got a whole bunch of disparate directories that don't help anyone, so I would say that's a key adoption.

Joshua Tan
49:14
makes sense.

Aaron (he/him) - Govrn
49:15
And so i'm actually sorry.
49:17
sorry to interrupt on josh about actually have a little bit of a different opinion than a counterpoint into math.
49:22
Like late late blobs I actually think Dallas are like the most.
49:29
Last organizations like like I think there it's like absolute bananas and these I believe in Dallas i'm in a bunch of data, like.
49:36
But, like every TAO is like party in the front and absolute chaos in the back, you know I mean, and so I think that, like it's like going to die, I think there's going to be, I think.
49:48
I think you have to create the the need first to mass point like I don't think that like if you went to Dallas today and you're like.
49:55
TAO you would you want to be added to directories and they'll be like yeah it sounds great like phenomenal you got to adopt the staff standards right yeah sounds great and in six months from now you're like knock on the door again and, like nothing will have changed.
50:07
And we got to create the duck directory first like I think that's what you do you create the directory and then your I go.
50:12
fill out this form all y'all do fill out this form press this button anyone can do it, and then they're not even gonna like care if it's valuable or not, that was just gonna do anything like again dolls are just like kind of running around grasping at straws right now so.

Matt Johnson
50:26
Actually, that that's what I didn't make that explicit but yeah you have to have that clearinghouse the directory.
50:33
That all sudden becomes the vacuum for all data, then everyone's like I gotta get this idea i'm not to be in the directory so absolutely build the directory first that then makes it clear that hey if you want to be in you got to adopt a standard.

Joshua Tan
50:51
So I think.
50:53
It sounds like we should definitely create this like sort of onboarding.
50:59
onboarding group and sent I think and leave that.
51:04
Would I would love to sort of figure out then Okay, you know, let me pause it there were coming up at the end of the hour and we have had no time for actual like open up the questions does anybody have any questions they want us to repose.
51:19
In the in the remaining this for a few minutes.
51:23
we're just things they only wanted to ask, but didn't have a chance to ask you.

asgeir
51:28
Yes, one thing can you hear me.
51:32
Yes, okay that's all right, and because the hair to if they were going to adopt the standard and need to implement this interface right.
51:41
And that's kind of a big ask, maybe, so if you're an instant have the they could call a function that the middle an event, where the Dow your I then it would be easy to request for proposal out like yeah just call this function.
51:59
was calling this function.
52:01
And this is the Dow and.
52:04
Perhaps that would be easier and also it's just have changed after right so paths the Dow the Dow your is not needed on chain, I can only be.
52:15
An event, and I would make it easier and cheaper setup that I think.

Joshua Tan
52:22
yeah actually i'm have.
52:25
Oh.
52:27
Actually I would actually really agree.
52:31
The reason it looks like this is because kind of pattern, the gap and how implementing this interfaces pattern off of like token, you are right.
52:39
And like you'll see some performance and a lot of like previous that extra define Meta data this way it's a little bit more like what's the right word for this.
52:48
In itself more like clear on chain in some sense, like you, control the contract and you sort of define this it's a little bit more.
52:59
valid, but I see it is much easier for for data that already exists, just as for have signed some sort of like straightforward contract interaction that admitted that your publishers are your eye and we have we support like that kind of discovery as well.
53:17
I think I mean we think you know would that would it make sense to actually include something like that directly in the standard like an alternative way of adoption.

Ido Gershtein
53:28
yeah actually I think yeah.
53:30
I think it's a great day, probably.

Joshua Tan
53:35
Admitting some sort of events let's look into this that's actually that's a great suggestion as gear up yeah Thank you so much.
53:45
If you want to like post that or add that to the theory magicians I might also recommend doing that, just so it's like public rather than just like in this call.
53:58
Though it'll it'll be recorded a technical and soon.

asgeir
54:02
Okay, thanks I will.

Joshua Tan
54:05
I say that this is a great suggestion.
54:06
And I think we should be memorialized.

Unknown Speaker
54:09
Is.

Joshua Tan
54:12
cool.
54:13
So I think we are at the top of the hour, so I will end this call here once again, these can be new clothes happen every two weeks.
54:22
At this exact time and please drop by we love to sort of like support more bring on spot more contributions, this is very much open source community driven standard and we're yeah thanks to everyone for coming.

PhilH
54:41
By.

John D Storey
54:45
To see those.

Cent
54:49
Okay, I saved a copy of the chat josh and i'm going to jump over to the other meeting now.
54:54
So, can you memorialize scares comment I wasn't able to catch it in the in the conversation.
55:02
you're muted, but.
55:03
I do Okay, thank you bye.