The fourteenth meeting

Last Edited Time
Feb 3, 2023
Created time
Feb 3, 2023
Participants
Created By
Type
Roundtable
Created
Feb 3, 2023
Zoom Recording
Property
Property 1
Attendees:
Josh Tan, Adam Miller (MIDAO), Andrei (dOrg), Cent Hosten, Corinna Schlicht (Giveth, Regens Unite). Daniel (Colony), Eugene (SCRF, Metagov), Honn (Uniswap), Joni Pirovich (LawFi DAO), Ivan, Lance Davis (Metagov), Manboy / David Phelps (dOrg), Tyler Sullberg (4k Protocol), Tomicah, Ken Ng (Uniswap), Morshed Mannan, Tomicah Tillermann (Haun Ventures)
Agenda
  • ETH Denver announcements
    • DAOIP table near main DAO stage
    • DAOstar House (2349 Champa Street) for working groups and discussions. Come hang out with other DAO people, or book an event here
  • DAOstar grants management project
 
Joni Presenting
How can compliance and self regulation be a DAO superpower?
  1. AML: DAOs are Defi might be subject to AML regulation in EU - marked as “contentious”, supposed to be finanlised by end of March to go to a vote
    1. Requirement upon DAOs to finally hire compliance team
    2. Unclear what constitutes DAOs as worth of having legal regulation - or not
  1. the proposal in short is a DAOstar registry interface, similar to companies maintained by the oversight body of companies. Registered DAOs receiving DAO* designation - very basic level
    1. picks up on the DAO Model Law, formation requirements, smart contract audit, etc.
    2. gives the public graduating levels of confidence
    3. wants to build it as a modular approach, other modules like privacy, legal asset permissions, etc.
 
DAO* Designation - requirements
  • registry
 
Discussion and Q&A
  • legally speaking, this API is what I own and publish
  • not judicial like “this is an LLC, etc.”
    • Morshed: some states in the US do have anonymous LLCs, e.g. Utah
    • Alabama, Colorado, Delaware and Wyoming among others. But even more allow anonymous members for example
    • what is the justification for more demanding requirements to be posed onto DAOs, when there are things such as the anonymous LLCs
  • DAO Model Law + DAO* design
    • non-web3 native govt officials - they want to have resources allocated for company regulators to have a registry
    • prefer we as our industry having own database, prove that we reach that level of equivalence while being privacy preserving
  • Adam Miller/ MIDAO: how to talk to gov’t and have their ear
  • Joni: Singapore - crypto licensing framework - a lot of skepticism with DAOs - the battleground is of definitions & the level of decentralisation justified it being legally recognised
  • Joni: we are fighting for the experimental freedom
  • Josh: can we go back to thinking about more fundamental questions of why some regulations are there in the first place - why is it Limited Liability in the first place?
    • use this opportunity to re-imagine a registration system
    • that we can benefit from as the entire ecosystem
    • independent of if they want to get legal benefit or not
    • makes sure they are participating as, e.g. “good citizens”? economic sense?
    • and use it to convince regulators
  • Joni: “stakeholder equal-ism” - real time valuation of our public goods

The fourteenth meeting

Last Edited Time
Feb 3, 2023
Created time
Feb 3, 2023
Participants
Created By
Type
Roundtable
Created
Feb 3, 2023
Zoom Recording
Property
Property 1
Attendees:
Josh Tan, Adam Miller (MIDAO), Andrei (dOrg), Cent Hosten, Corinna Schlicht (Giveth, Regens Unite). Daniel (Colony), Eugene (SCRF, Metagov), Honn (Uniswap), Joni Pirovich (LawFi DAO), Ivan, Lance Davis (Metagov), Manboy / David Phelps (dOrg), Tyler Sullberg (4k Protocol), Tomicah, Ken Ng (Uniswap), Morshed Mannan, Tomicah Tillermann (Haun Ventures)
Agenda
  • ETH Denver announcements
    • DAOIP table near main DAO stage
    • DAOstar House (2349 Champa Street) for working groups and discussions. Come hang out with other DAO people, or book an event here
  • DAOstar grants management project
 
Joni Presenting
How can compliance and self regulation be a DAO superpower?
  1. AML: DAOs are Defi might be subject to AML regulation in EU - marked as “contentious”, supposed to be finanlised by end of March to go to a vote
    1. Requirement upon DAOs to finally hire compliance team
    2. Unclear what constitutes DAOs as worth of having legal regulation - or not
  1. the proposal in short is a DAOstar registry interface, similar to companies maintained by the oversight body of companies. Registered DAOs receiving DAO* designation - very basic level
    1. picks up on the DAO Model Law, formation requirements, smart contract audit, etc.
    2. gives the public graduating levels of confidence
    3. wants to build it as a modular approach, other modules like privacy, legal asset permissions, etc.
 
DAO* Designation - requirements
  • registry
 
Discussion and Q&A
  • legally speaking, this API is what I own and publish
  • not judicial like “this is an LLC, etc.”
    • Morshed: some states in the US do have anonymous LLCs, e.g. Utah
    • Alabama, Colorado, Delaware and Wyoming among others. But even more allow anonymous members for example
    • what is the justification for more demanding requirements to be posed onto DAOs, when there are things such as the anonymous LLCs
  • DAO Model Law + DAO* design
    • non-web3 native govt officials - they want to have resources allocated for company regulators to have a registry
    • prefer we as our industry having own database, prove that we reach that level of equivalence while being privacy preserving
  • Adam Miller/ MIDAO: how to talk to gov’t and have their ear
  • Joni: Singapore - crypto licensing framework - a lot of skepticism with DAOs - the battleground is of definitions & the level of decentralisation justified it being legally recognised
  • Joni: we are fighting for the experimental freedom
  • Josh: can we go back to thinking about more fundamental questions of why some regulations are there in the first place - why is it Limited Liability in the first place?
    • use this opportunity to re-imagine a registration system
    • that we can benefit from as the entire ecosystem
    • independent of if they want to get legal benefit or not
    • makes sure they are participating as, e.g. “good citizens”? economic sense?
    • and use it to convince regulators
  • Joni: “stakeholder equal-ism” - real time valuation of our public goods