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ROP-5 meetup #1

Date
β€£
Tags
ROP-5
Agenda ROP-5 Meeting #1
  • ROP-5: The state of the Ethereum supply network by Thomas and Davide
    • Quick presentation of the context, scope and objective
  • Introduction round:
    • Name, occupation
    • MEV/Supply network projects you have worked on
    • Ideas/projects/contributions you’re interested in
    • Time commitment & resources
  • Open discussion
  • More specific ideas, converging on projects, working groups
Presentation by Thomas and Davide
Interest in the room
  • Paths to enshrining PBS by learning more about the health of the supply network β‡’ Minimal spec by the end that we can iterate on
  • Data to support theoretical research on auction design
  • Data analytics for MEV relays and MEV landscape
  • Learn more about the network
  • Continue to provide more services and monitoring of the network, including validators who have their protocol duties but also engage in other things with MEV
Open discussion
  • What are projects we are interested in?
    • A model for CEX-DEX arbitrage and how this affects latency
    • Linking data from EigenPhi (seen after inclusion) with data from mempool monitoring (seen before inclusion)
    • Removing reliance on relays, which have operator risk, vertical integration with builders and searchers β‡’ Instead, use attesters as the relayers
      • Health of supply network can also be self-correcting: there are lots of value at stake, so there is an incentive for the network to be run efficiently
      • But today, there are actors somewhat outside of the governance process which have outsized influence over the network
    • What is the actual potential-MEV? Our measure of MEV for the attack last Monday would have said, there is a few $ to pick up by sandwichers, but it turns out, there is actually 20M $ to be picked up if atomicity can be broken
      • How can we protect atomicity with 4337? Can the bundles be made with validity proofs?
      • Was there a need to review how metrics are computed in light of the network performance post-the attack.
    • Mempool data
      • Study censorship, exclusive order flow
    • OFAs, how do they change validator economics, do they lower security because the APY goes down?
      • But users also need to entice the validators to include their transactions
    • Transaction ordering and auctions, can layer 2’s experiment?
      • You can do the timing-based ordering for transactions, or approaches that look more like FBAs
Paths forward
  • Enshrined PBS
  • Filling up the data lake and putting forward data specifications
  • MEV quantification / MEV flows
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ROP-5 meetup #1

Date
β€£
Tags
ROP-5
Agenda ROP-5 Meeting #1
  • ROP-5: The state of the Ethereum supply network by Thomas and Davide
    • Quick presentation of the context, scope and objective
  • Introduction round:
    • Name, occupation
    • MEV/Supply network projects you have worked on
    • Ideas/projects/contributions you’re interested in
    • Time commitment & resources
  • Open discussion
  • More specific ideas, converging on projects, working groups
Presentation by Thomas and Davide
Interest in the room
  • Paths to enshrining PBS by learning more about the health of the supply network β‡’ Minimal spec by the end that we can iterate on
  • Data to support theoretical research on auction design
  • Data analytics for MEV relays and MEV landscape
  • Learn more about the network
  • Continue to provide more services and monitoring of the network, including validators who have their protocol duties but also engage in other things with MEV
Open discussion
  • What are projects we are interested in?
    • A model for CEX-DEX arbitrage and how this affects latency
    • Linking data from EigenPhi (seen after inclusion) with data from mempool monitoring (seen before inclusion)
    • Removing reliance on relays, which have operator risk, vertical integration with builders and searchers β‡’ Instead, use attesters as the relayers
      • Health of supply network can also be self-correcting: there are lots of value at stake, so there is an incentive for the network to be run efficiently
      • But today, there are actors somewhat outside of the governance process which have outsized influence over the network
    • What is the actual potential-MEV? Our measure of MEV for the attack last Monday would have said, there is a few $ to pick up by sandwichers, but it turns out, there is actually 20M $ to be picked up if atomicity can be broken
      • How can we protect atomicity with 4337? Can the bundles be made with validity proofs?
      • Was there a need to review how metrics are computed in light of the network performance post-the attack.
    • Mempool data
      • Study censorship, exclusive order flow
    • OFAs, how do they change validator economics, do they lower security because the APY goes down?
      • But users also need to entice the validators to include their transactions
    • Transaction ordering and auctions, can layer 2’s experiment?
      • You can do the timing-based ordering for transactions, or approaches that look more like FBAs
Paths forward
  • Enshrined PBS
  • Filling up the data lake and putting forward data specifications
  • MEV quantification / MEV flows
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